Benefits in Britain. fact and fiction

[andygardener]

 

It's not a good thing if they drop off the radar altogether.

 

You have an immediate net saving if they do. You also have a long term saving as pensions etc and I would expect in the future NHS etc will depend on being in the system either as a contributor or a validated taker. The black economy may thrive for a while but they'll die in a ditch when they get ill.

[SpikeMac]

Maybe they all magically got better when the coalition made it clear Labours benefits gravy train was over?

 

The Thatcher Government made extensive use of Incapacity Benefit to hide the true level of unemployment caused by their slash and burn policies.

 

Labour continued with the pretence.

 

We can expect a leap in the unemployment figures as Osbourne's reforms take hold. Whether that is a good thing, or a bad thing, remains to be seen.

[Mister M]

The Thatcher Government made extensive use of Incapacity Benefit to hide the true level of unemployment caused by their slash and burn policies.

 

Labour continued with the pretence.

 

We can expect a leap in the unemployment figures as Osbourne's reforms take hold. Whether that is a good thing, or a bad thing, remains to be seen.

 

Whatever you think of them the coalition are sly. Like Maggys government (who fiddled the unemployment figures over 30 times), will no doubt introduce another statistical sleight of hand to hide the true numbers of those out of work.

[SpikeMac]

Whatever you think of them the coalition are sly. Like Maggys government (who fiddled the unemployment figures over 30 times), will no doubt introduce another statistical sleight of hand to hide the true numbers of those out of work.

 

There is no hiding unemployment on this scale.

[chem1st]

By far, the biggest part of the welfare bill is pensions in the form of state pension and pension credit, there are also other pensions that aren't counted as welfare, but are paid with by taxpayers money.

 

Pensioners haven't paid enough into the system.

 

They are on the take, and they are taking way more than their fair share, continue to to take more than their fair share, and are taking an ever increasing proportion.

 

This is the truth about benefits, and the way to reduce benefit spending is to cut pensions for the current group of pensioners who have not paid enough into the system to cover what they have taken out, and continue to take out.

 

The government increases these benefits above inflation. Thus benefit spending is due to RISE, and rise massively.

[tinfoilhat]

By far, the biggest part of the welfare bill is pensions in the form of state pension and pension credit, there are also other pensions that aren't counted as welfare, but are paid with by taxpayers money.

 

Pensioners haven't paid enough into the system.

 

They are on the take, and they are taking way more than their fair share, continue to to take more than their fair share, and are taking an ever increasing proportion.

 

This is the truth about benefits, and the way to reduce benefit spending is to cut pensions for the current group of pensioners who have not paid enough into the system to cover what they have taken out, and continue to take out.

 

The government increases these benefits above inflation. Thus benefit spending is due to RISE, and rise massively.

 

So what to do with the old folk ? Are they to be only judged on the taxes they pay and nothing else ? Would you stop their pensions ? That would thin out the herd.

 

It does sadly illustrate why they are often so mistreated in hospital. The younger generation doesn't appear to care.

[Green Web]

Well said Chem1st, those who take the most from our benefits system have often paid the least, and along with the mainstream media they are most likely to demonise the young as scroungers, a lot of pensioners are so hypocritical and nasty towards the young they make me feel ashamed to be British.

[Anna B]

By far, the biggest part of the welfare bill is pensions in the form of state pension and pension credit, there are also other pensions that aren't counted as welfare, but are paid with by taxpayers money.

 

Pensioners haven't paid enough into the system.

 

They are on the take, and they are taking way more than their fair share, continue to to take more than their fair share, and are taking an ever increasing proportion.

 

This is the truth about benefits, and the way to reduce benefit spending is to cut pensions for the current group of pensioners who have not paid enough into the system to cover what they have taken out, and continue to take out.

 

The government increases these benefits above inflation. Thus benefit spending is due to RISE, and rise massively.

 

Oh great, now it's pensioner bashing... I hate to mention this but you too will be a pensioner one day - be careful what you wish for...

[SpikeMac]

Well said Chem1st, those who take the most from our benefits system have often paid the least and along with the mainstream media the most likely to demonise the young as scroungers, a lot of pensioners are hypocritical and should be ashamed of themselves.

 

I don't hold with that either. Many of our older citizens have worked all of their lives and made a positive contribution to society. They've paid the taxes requested of them too.

 

We do have a set of freeloaders who should be forced to pay more. They are mostly in the upper echelons of big companies, or managing hedge funds, or are shareholders of tax avoiding companies like Boots. If they all paid their fair share, we could afford a much more civillised society. The time is coming...

[andygardener]

By far, the biggest part of the welfare bill is pensions in the form of state pension and pension credit, there are also other pensions that aren't counted as welfare, but are paid with by taxpayers money.

 

Pensioners haven't paid enough into the system.

 

They are on the take, and they are taking way more than their fair share, continue to to take more than their fair share, and are taking an ever increasing proportion.

 

This is the truth about benefits, and the way to reduce benefit spending is to cut pensions for the current group of pensioners who have not paid enough into the system to cover what they have taken out, and continue to take out.

 

The government increases these benefits above inflation. Thus benefit spending is due to RISE, and rise massively.

The vast majority of pensioners will have paid in more than they get out. Unlike doleys. Lets apply one rule for all, you cannot get out more than you pay in, which would be a nice little leveler.