Margaret Thatcher Thread - Read the first post before posting

[denlin]

May I suggest you take a bit of time to read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell

[I1L2T3]

It wasn't a miscalculation, she wanted to withdraw it presumably to save money, the invasion proved it was a waste of money having it there, because they invaded whilst it was there and it didn't stop the invasion.

It didn’t matter whether it was there or not, not having it there would have saved money, having it there didn’t prevent the invasion.

 

 

You can go back to all you like; the deregulation in 1986 didn't cause the housing bubble that started after 2000 and the dot com bust. It was caused by further deregulation, easy credit, excessive population expansion, limited supply of new housing, demolition of old housing, buy to let greed, and pension mistrust.

 

I think your views are too simplistic. Endurance wasn't a strong military presence. It was symbolic of British commitment to the islands. This was a point emphasised in all the warnings to Thatcher.

 

The housing bubble can be be traced back to changes made in 1986. I'm not saying it was the only thing that caused it

 

Some food for thought:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8850654/Was-the-Big-Bang-good-for-the-City-of-London-and-Britain.html

[crazybaby]

May I suggest you take a bit of time to read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell

 

Brilliant book, watched a great little adaption of the book put on at the Lantern theatre too. It tugged at the heart strings, although I don't recognise the young socialists of today in the book, different time.

Edited April 11, 2013 by crazybaby

[Tradescanthia]

May I suggest you take a bit of time to read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell

 

 

A good read. The 'philanthropy' is the worker 'giving' his labour away, for poor rewards for himself. A bit like today...............

The attitudes of the ruling classes never change, leopards don't change their spots.

'Class' as we know it was created by the rulers in order to make the lower orders feel inferior.

Thatcher exploited class divisions, whilst pretending to be freeing us from class burdens. Her friend, Sir Keith Joseph was well into 'Eugenics', eventually declaring his belief of selective breeding. Aiming for a Tory 'Master Race' perhaps ??

[crazybaby]

I really enjoyed the book, it gave me a deeper insight into what my grandmothers generation had to suffer. Your right the workers were exploited, but the difference between now and then for me, and this is just my feelings, is that now the socialist represents the public sector only.

[MrSmith]

I think your views are too simplistic. Endurance wasn't a strong military presence. It was symbolic of British commitment to the islands. This was a point emphasised in all the warnings to Thatcher.

 

What I type might be simplistic, but my views aren't, the commitment was still there, and the Argentineans planed to invade before Thatcher said anything about withdrawing.

 

The housing bubble can be be traced back to changes made in 1986. I'm not saying it was the only thing that caused it

 

Some food for thought:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8850654/Was-the-Big-Bang-good-for-the-City-of-London-and-Britain.html

 

Despite the changes made in 1986 the bubble could have easily been prevented, but it wasn't, it was orchestrated by Gordon brown to help give the illusion of wealth.

[Obelix]

A good read. The 'philanthropy' is the worker 'giving' his labour away, for poor rewards for himself. A bit like today...............

The attitudes of the ruling classes never change, leopards don't change their spots.

'Class' as we know it was created by the rulers in order to make the lower orders feel inferior.

Thatcher exploited class divisions, whilst pretending to be freeing us from class burdens. Her friend, Sir Keith Joseph was well into 'Eugenics', eventually declaring his belief of selective breeding. Aiming for a Tory 'Master Race' perhaps ??

 

You do have course have some evidence for that? I just find it rather hard to believe you see, seeing as I managed perfectly well to do reasonably OK, even as the son of a miner...

[I1L2T3]

What I type might be simplistic, but my views aren't, the commitment was still there, and the Argentineans planed to invade before Thatcher said anything about withdrawing.

 

 

 

Despite the changes made in 1986 the bubble could have easily been prevented, but it wasn't, it was orchestrated by Gordon brown to help give the illusion of wealth.

 

Galtieri took it as a sign that the British were lessening their commitment.this is a well documented and widely accepted view that you are wilfully ignoring.

 

The processes that led to the formation that allowed a credit bubble to form began in the 1980s. I agree it could and should have been prevented. But it's wrong to ignore the culture entrenched in the city by then and the prevailing regulatory mood. The Labour approach to banking was very Thatcherite. The mood in the city was Thatcherite.

 

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A good read. The 'philanthropy' is the worker 'giving' his labour away, for poor rewards for himself. A bit like today...............

The attitudes of the ruling classes never change, leopards don't change their spots.

'Class' as we know it was created by the rulers in order to make the lower orders feel inferior.

Thatcher exploited class divisions, whilst pretending to be freeing us from class burdens. Her friend, Sir Keith Joseph was well into 'Eugenics', eventually declaring his belief of selective breeding. Aiming for a Tory 'Master Race' perhaps ??

 

I imagine the Tory master race as being a tribe of men who can't tie their own shoelaces, still call their mum 'mummy', don't know the price of milk and occasionally still wet the bed at night.

[El Cid]

The light nights and light mornings are here but we still live in dark days and will while ever this lot are still in power, just like 1979 TO 1990. I predict in two years time the days will get lighter when we get rid of the Toff element ruining this country.

 

Being a little too young to remember the details about Thatcher, reading wiki, there is very little depicting her years as anything special.

The Lawson boom, followed by a bust. She won the 1983 election, purely due to winning the Fauklands war, even though she was in charge when the Argies thought it was ok to go to war. At every election, she had fewer votes than the previous election. She was responsible for the brutality shown to the miners. She held up reform in South Africa - the Apartheid.

Her main pluses for me, although she did go too far. Reforming the unions, our stance on the EU and the rebate and the setting up of the Hadley centre to study climate change. The poll tax might have work, but she was too headstrong and listened to no one.

Why is she thought to be so great?

[SevenRivers]

Galtieri took it as a sign that the British were lessening their commitment.this is a well documented and widely accepted view that you are wilfully ignoring.

 

The processes that led to the formation that allowed a credit bubble to form began in the 1980s. I agree it could and should have been prevented. But it's wrong to ignore the culture entrenched in the city by then and the prevailing regulatory mood. The Labour approach to banking was very Thatcherite. The mood in the city was Thatcherite.

 

I believe it started at least a couple of millennia ago with the invention of money.