Fascism, is it really that bad

[Longcol]

Unless you are Mussolini, your regime isn't fascist. Are you Mussolini? No? OK, then your regime isn't fascist. Might be Nazi or a right wing military junta but it isn't fascist.

 

Why? I know only Mussolini called his party "Fascists" but it is generally accepted by historians etc that fascism applied to regimes with the same or very similar characteristics.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Many countries in the post war Soviet bloc described themselves as "Democratic Republics" - I'd still call them Communists.

[I1L2T3]

A question for people who would seem to support a right-wing, more authoritarian regime.

 

If Labour were to win the next election, would you back a coup d'etat to re-install a more right-wing government.

 

I know it's a loaded question. Sorry for that. But there is some evidence that something like that was planned in 1968 and 1974 when Wilson was in power. There was a documentary on TV a few years ago presenting the evidence.

 

So would you back it?

[mjw47]

Unless you are Mussolini, your regime isn't fascist. Are you Mussolini? No? OK, then your regime isn't fascist. Might be Nazi or a right wing military junta but it isn't fascist.

 

Are you denying that the term Fascist, whilst originally Italian, isn't in common usage to describe right-wing totalitarian regimes?

[andygardener]

Are you denying that the term Fascist, whilst originally Italian, isn't in common usage to describe right-wing totalitarian regimes?

 

Certainly not. Common usage of nazi and commie are similar nonsenses. Juche gets a little less press thought it could be applied roughly to stalinism and Galtierie's particular brand of fun has much more in common with the Greek generals than it does with Hitler.

 

Stupid or mendacious people use inaccurate labels because they are either lazy or they wish to associate one thing with something they view as worse to contaminate the thing they are referring to. Hence people with "funky" hair use the term fascist to refer to anyone to the right of Wedgy Benn and people called Norman who iron creases into their old chap every morning see anyone to the left of Richard Littlejohn as commies.

[johncocker]

Fascism is not necessarily racist but it has been nationalist in its policies to one degree or another as a means of sustaining governance or to disguise the capture of the state by the cartels that drive the various fascist parties/movements. However nationalism is not necessarily fascism and that has to be stressed. Some often confuse what are distinct terms.

Fascism is a political-economic approach that enhances or conserves the wealth and position of the corporation, the landowner and the speculator whilst disguising that process under various claims of political and economic justification for what is effectively a capture of the State.

 

 

To give more contemporary analogies and ones to be given deep consideration. A major plank of Italian Fascism for example was its usage of what we would today recognize as PFI. Indeed Italy was sinking with the bills being called in on PFI as it went for the war option as its way to dodge the economic realities coming its way. Might ring bells and give a taste of what is to come.

As is today any defender of those forced to foot the bill (ie the worker) are classed as Marxists. They may not have been Marxists but they are deemed to be Marxists. That is a common feature of our elite universities today and in media discourse.

 

We see this often where what are clearly not Leftists in the Marxist mould are somehow regarded as being such. that racism was to play in the war policies of Italy. Particularly ironic was the confiscations of capital held by many prominent Jewish Fascists (after all it was a Jewish Italian social scientist who was one of the founders of the Fascist movement in Italy).

Contemporary Italian Neo-Facism is essentially a mix of nationalism, increasing lower middle-class and working class alienation from the global structures and markets, and scripts with victimologies relating to the aftermath of loss of the war (many valid from a working man's perspective) and the usual long running mythologies relating to the great Rome and its time as the centre of the Euro-World.

some of that might ring bells over here.

[Hillpig]

A question for people who would seem to support a right-wing, more authoritarian regime.

 

If Labour were to win the next election, would you back a coup d'etat to re-install a more right-wing government.

 

I know it's a loaded question. Sorry for that. But there is some evidence that something like that was planned in 1968 and 1974 when Wilson was in power. There was a documentary on TV a few years ago presenting the evidence.

 

So would you back it?

 

It was organised by David Stirling, founder of the SAS. He organised the infiltration of the unions. It became less necessary when Wilson resigned. There is a possibility that Wilson was a Soviet agent, indeed the 5th man alongside Philby Burgess Blunt etc. Cllaghan though a Labour man was not a commie and was considered incompetent but not a traitor.

[retep]

Oooh - we all have to answer to you now do we?

 

There have been plenty given on this thread along the lines of a totalitarian regime that actively oppress opposition / minorities - often by violence / murder, that it actively controls the press and other means of communication, that ir=t doesn't allow elections. Any problems with those?

 

I note in an earlier post you linked to some paranoid nonsense that seems to say we are close to a fascist regime at the moment. Are you confused or something?

 

You don't have to answer at all, that's up to you.

 

As to the paranoid nonsense

The populace were promised a referendum by the present government and were denied, as well as their oppression of minority parties,

is it any different to what you describe in your rantings about totalitarian regimes?

 

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Are you denying that the term Fascist, whilst originally Italian, isn't in common usage to describe right-wing totalitarian regimes?

 

 

It's just the F word usually reserved for those you don't agree with.

[Halibut]

You don't have to answer at all, that's up to you.

 

As to the paranoid nonsense

The populace were promised a referendum by the present government and were denied, as well as their oppression of minority parties,

is it any different to what you describe in your rantings about totalitarian regimes?

 

What oppression of which minority parties?

[retep]

What oppression of which minority parties?

 

The one that you promote would be a starter.

[I1L2T3]

It was organised by David Stirling, founder of the SAS. He organised the infiltration of the unions. It became less necessary when Wilson resigned. There is a possibility that Wilson was a Soviet agent, indeed the 5th man alongside Philby Burgess Blunt etc. Cllaghan though a Labour man was not a commie and was considered incompetent but not a traitor.

 

It was never necessary.