Fascism, is it really that bad

[skinz]

I certainly do not aspire to dictatorship. I think democracy is a wonderful development and something that we in this country can be proud of. However, it does seem that some other cultures in the world do not easily take to it.

 

 

Well yer making a right pigs (pardon the pun) ear by climbing the hill (pardon the pun) defending it in other countries in the belief that fascist dictators create an environment of "safe, secure and fed".

[Hillpig]

Well yer making a right pigs (pardon the pun) ear by climbing the hill (pardon the pun) defending it in other countries in the belief that fascist dictators create an environment of "safe, secure and fed".

 

Your tone is intolerant, read what is written, do not just react emotionally in a way that merely reinforces your preconception.

 

I do not defend, I merely state the obvious. Although I am in no way offended, making mockery of my name in no way reinforces your arguement.

[andygardener]

Really? so every time someone wish's to describe a particular regime they have to go into minute detail as to exactly what constitutes the differentials between their particular ideology & every other regimes?

 

Tell me Andy, have you noticed how people keep falling asleep a lot whilst engaged in conversation with you?

 

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Incidentally, I love the way you argue against people using stereotypical & inaccurate labels & then proceed to use them yourself in the comment.

 

Er, yes. If you want to have a go at or indeed support a particular regime then what they actually do and say seems like a good starting point. Comparing them to Stalin or Mussolini might be easy, but it's lazy and inaccurate.

 

Sweet dreams!

[Mister M]

Your tone is intolerant, read what is written, do not just react emotionally in a way that merely reinforces your preconception.

 

I do not defend, I merely state the obvious. Although I am in no way offended, making mockery of my name in no way reinforces your arguement.

 

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[Phanerothyme]

Bad is really a relative term.

 

Lots of people have done really well out of fasicsm, others less so. It all depends on what side of the regime you end up on, but you're either with them or against them.

 

Me, I'm indifferent to the regime, so fascism doesn't hold a huge amount of interest to me, but faced with a fascist inspired conflict between nations and races, or a marxist class conflict, give me class conflict every time - the tunes are much better and there aren't as many bullets.

[skinz]

Your tone is intolerant, read what is written, do not just react emotionally in a way that merely reinforces your preconception.

 

I do not defend, I merely state the obvious. Although I am in no way offended, making mockery of my name in no way reinforces your arguement.

 

So what Fascist state was so benign that its peoples right to self determination was an overall consideration?

 

Germany, Argentina, Spain, Peru, Italy?

 

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Bad is really a relative term.

 

Lots of people have done really well out of fasicsm, others less so. It all depends on what side of the regime you end up on, but you're either with them or against them.

 

Me, I'm indifferent to the regime, so fascism doesn't hold a huge amount of interest to me, but faced with a fascist inspired conflict between nations and races, or a marxist class conflict, give me class conflict every time - the tunes are much better and there aren't as many bullets.

 

They come later..behind closed doors. That's if you're lucky.

[Phanerothyme]

^ But at least we wouldn't be exterminating one another on the pretext of nationality or race supremacy, that would be stupid. We would be doing it on the basis of fear, paranoia and envy/greed, which is a lot more honest and up front.

[Hillpig]

So what Fascist state was so benign that its peoples right to self determination was an overall consideration?

 

Germany, Argentina, Spain, Peru, Italy?

 

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They come later..behind closed doors. That's if you're lucky.

 

The period of the four emperors ending with Marcus Aurelius was described by Gibbon as the most benign peaceful and benevolent in the history of mankind. Fascism did not start in the 20th century. Read more, inwardly digest.

[mjw47]

The period of the four emperors ending with Marcus Aurelius was described by Gibbon as the most benign peaceful and benevolent in the history of mankind. Fascism did not start in the 20th century. Read more, inwardly digest.

 

The problem is that Marcus Aurelius was a great man & they don't come along as often as they should. I always thought his view on Gods & how to deal with them was excellent.

 

Also in fairness the overall period of peace was only achieved because the Romans had killed or subjugated all opposition prior to that.

Not really a road we should wish to go down.

 

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Er, yes. If you want to have a go at or indeed support a particular regime then what they actually do and say seems like a good starting point. Comparing them to Stalin or Mussolini might be easy, but it's lazy and inaccurate.

 

Sweet dreams!

 

Andy. The original argument-as you well know- was simply whether or not it was correct to use the word Fascist as a description of Franco's Spain, the Colonels Greece & the Junta's Argentina. Just that, nothing else, OK?

 

LeMaquis had claimed that there had only ever been two Fascist regimes, I pointed out the existence of the above countries as just a few further examples.

 

No one on this thread has attempted to argue that a one word description of a particular regime will cover it's entire political philosophy.

 

That particular argument was introduced as a Straw Man by LeMaquis & yourself when you lost the original actual argument but wished to continue with the debate. No problem I've found it most amusing .

 

I am however still awaiting LeMaquis' reply to my request for a single word description which better describes the above countries than the one everyone in the world except you & he uses, Fascist.

 

Also, I am fully aware that whilst you & LeMaquis were coming up with all this Bull manure about the different ways in which the regimes differed to prove they weren't Fascist, you were both careful not to mention Germany.

Could that have been because both you & LeMaquis acknowledge that Germany was Fascist, & it was one of his 'only two' despite the fact that it's founder Adolph claimed it was Socialist?

[LeMaquis]

I am however still awaiting LeMaquis' reply to my request for a single word description which better describes the above countries than the one everyone in the world except you & he uses, Fascist.

 

Also, I am fully aware that whilst you & LeMaquis were coming up with all this Bull manure about the different ways in which the regimes differed to prove they weren't Fascist, you were both careful not to mention Germany.

Could that have been because both you & LeMaquis acknowledge that Germany was Fascist, & it was one of his 'only two' despite the fact that it's founder Adolph claimed it was Socialist?

 

I can think of one word that summarises your arguments but I won't post it. Why you think one word suffices to describe something is clear only to you. Argentina, Spain, Portugal and Greece were military dictatorships. Everyone in the world doesn't share your choice of the word. Most people in the world don't give a bugger about your ignorance on any subject.

 

Germany was fascist. Hitler didn't call it Socialist. He called it National Socialist. Nazi is an abbreviation for Nationalsozialistische, as in Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. If you don't know that you shouldn't be posting on the subject.

 

And his name was spelt Adolf. If you can't even spell the name of the most famous fascist of them all then that sums up your knowledge of the subject.