Fascism, is it really that bad

[Jeffrey Shaw]

The period of the four emperors ending with Marcus Aurelius was described by Gibbon as the most benign peaceful and benevolent in the history of mankind. Fascism did not start in the 20th century. Read more, inwardly digest.

Remember that the fasces gave its name to the political creed.

Oxford Dictionaries tells me this:

 

fasces

Pronunciation: /ˈfasiːz/

 

Definition of fasces

noun

historical

 

A bundle of rods with a projecting axe blade, carried by a lictor in ancient Rome as a symbol of a magistrate’s power, and used as an emblem of authority in Fascist Italy.

 

Origin:

 

Latin, plural of fascis 'bundle'

[Hillpig]

Remember that the fasces gave its name to the political creed.

Oxford Dictionaries tells me this:

 

fasces

Pronunciation: /ˈfasiːz/

 

Definition of fasces

noun

historical

 

A bundle of rods with a projecting axe blade, carried by a lictor in ancient Rome as a symbol of a magistrate’s power, and used as an emblem of authority in Fascist Italy.

 

Origin:

 

Latin, plural of fascis 'bundle'

 

Thankyou for that clarification. Certain people contributing seem to confine themselves to fascism in the 20th century, my point is that Fascism is older than democracy, and that benign fascists have, in the past treated the populace well. There are of course shocking examples of bad treatment. North Korea, although it states it is communist, is, by any definition Fascist, it is also evil.

 

Democracy is better, but it is not easy and has not been round, in its presnt form for very long.

[mjw47]

I can think of one word that summarises your arguments but I won't post it. Why you think one word suffices to describe something is clear only to you. Argentina, Spain, Portugal and Greece were military dictatorships. Everyone in the world doesn't share your choice of the word. Most people in the world don't give a bugger about your ignorance on any subject.

 

Germany was fascist. Hitler didn't call it Socialist. He called it National Socialist. Nazi is an abbreviation for Nationalsozialistische, as in Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. If you don't know that you shouldn't be posting on the subject.

 

And his name was spelt Adolf. If you can't even spell the name of the most famous fascist of them all then that sums up your knowledge of the subject.

 

Ah, Getting abusive, the mark of a sore loser, picking up on a typo, the mark of a pathetic loser.

Dear me LeMaquis thought you were better than that, my mistake.

 

You know full well that the original dispute was whether or not the word Fascist could be used as a description of more than two regimes in the 'History of the World'. That was your claim, you are wrong, you know you are wrong. but instead of accepting it with good grace you have chosen to wriggle,deflect & introduce a straw man argument which no one except you & your mate Andy is interested in.

 

Oh & by the way that 'National' makes ALL the difference

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Thankyou for that clarification. Certain people contributing seem to confine themselves to fascism in the 20th century, my point is that Fascism is older than democracy, and that benign fascists have, in the past treated the populace well. There are of course shocking examples of bad treatment. North Korea, although it states it is communist, is, by any definition Fascist, it is also evil.

 

Democracy is better, but it is not easy and has not been round, in its presnt form for very long.

Yet 'democracy' as now known was largely invented by the (Ancient) Greeks.

[Hillpig]

Yet 'democracy' as now known was largely invented by the (Ancient) Greeks.

 

True, but even then neither women nor slaves could vote, it was not democracy as we know it today.

 

Also in the Roman republic ( the time before Augustus) when danger threatened an individual was given dictatorial powers albeit for short periods.

 

Even in this country at times of national crisis democracy can be suspended and national governments installed. Only last year after berlusconi was ousted in Italy the government was run by unelected people.

 

I do not claim any of the above were fascist, there were certainly not democratic, indicating that democracy is a good thing but it has its limitations.

[ronthenekred]

True, but even then neither women nor slaves could vote, it was not democracy as we know it today.

 

 

Funny that you should quote fascism then as related to now as important. but dismiss democracy as we know it then in relation to democracy now as not so.

[Hillpig]

Funny that you should quote fascism then as related to now as important. but dismiss democracy as we know it then in relation to democracy now as not so.

 

I have difficulty in folowing your thought process. What is your point.

[Anna Glypta]

Yes it is. Want to be told exactly how to live your life in an undemocratic state that beats up on the defenceless? Careful what you wish for.

 

Why would we want to live in communist North Korea?

[johncocker]

I have difficulty in folowing your thought process. What is your point.

 

I think he's saying that we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

[Hillpig]

I think he's saying that we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

 

I know and you know, I doubt that he knows. Know what I mean?