crazybaby Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 it amuses me the amount of people who slate those unemployed as scroungers and the lowest of the low, i have just found out where all the money really goes!!! http://lartsocial.org/money Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android Does public sector pensions come out of the same pot, or is the figure just for state pension ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Does public sector pensions come out of the same pot, or is the figure just for state pension ? They have their own, fully funded pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 They have their own, fully funded pot. Taxpayers will also have to find the equivalent of £33,000 for every household to pay for “unfunded” public sector pensions, Office for National Statistics figures showed. Overall, those liabilities are estimated at £7.1 trillion, almost five times the value of the entire UK economy. That money will have to paid out of the lifetimes of current and future pensioners. Only £2.1 trillion of that sum will be met by private sector employers and pension funds. The remaining £5 trillion are obligations on the Government, either through the state pension or the retirement schemes of public sector workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Taxpayers will also have to find. If you use the correct language, instead of taxpayers you should use the word employers! The employees pay a certain percentage and the employer pay some too; that is how many pensions used to work, not sure how much the situation has changed. And going back to the title of the thread, its the same issue, its not welfare, its pensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 If you use the correct language, instead of taxpayers you should use the word employers! The employees pay a certain percentage and the employer pay some too; that is how many pensions used to work, not sure how much the situation has changed. And going back to the title of the thread, its the same issue, its not welfare, its pensions. State pensions are welfare though - according to the Government anyway. Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge the pensioners, hopefully I'll be one myself one day But when the Government is next having a go at some poor sod who's just been made redundant and they're quoting the size of the welfare budget, just remember the figure they are using is comprised mainly of pensions (whether you agree it should be or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s35oasis Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Welfare is something that always has been and always will be a problem - it's just too big a problem to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 By the Tory media, what do the pensioners think? By all the media, by the office for national statistics and by everyone who discusses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head first Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 No one minds the benefits OAP's receive, no one minds the benefits that the disabled receive, and most people dont mind the various benefits that low paid working people receive; what gets up peoples noses is the able-bodied long term unemployed on benefits getting their council tax and rent etc paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 No one minds the benefits OAP's receive, no one minds the benefits that the disabled receive, and most people dont mind the various benefits that low paid working people receive; what gets up peoples noses is the able-bodied long term unemployed on benefits getting their council tax and rent etc paid for. We are, still, a wealthy country; so I dont mind paying for people on long term benefits. But the point should be that their life is not a good one, no one sets out to be on benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 No one minds the benefits OAP's receive, no one minds the benefits that the disabled receive, and most people dont mind the various benefits that low paid working people receive; what gets up peoples noses is the able-bodied long term unemployed on benefits getting their council tax and rent etc paid for. The groups that nobody minds about are being penalised along with an incredibly small minority of that final group. More benefits go unclaimed (by a long way) than are fraudulently claimed, and JSA payments are such a small % of the welfare budget that it seems silly to focus on them as if it will help cut spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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