harvey19 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 The money was used on tax cuts for the wealthy and to pay the spiraling benefits system,all created by Thatchers mob In effect are you saying some of the money received from the sale of council houses was used to subsidise via benefits the rent of those who stayed in council accommodation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Agreed, but don't lose sight of the fact that when most people lived in council houses, 1940/50/60s they paid their own full rent. In later years housing benefit has been provided to many tenants. This isn't paid to those who bought their homes thereby saving the council/government money. The people who can afford to buy their council houses wouldn't pass the means test to be eligible for housing benefit. So selling council houses to those people does not save on housing benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 The people who can afford to buy their council houses wouldn't pass the means test to be eligible for housing benefit. So selling council houses to those people does not save on housing benefit. The point I was making was that many in council houses are eligible for housing benefits nowadays so this is another expense related to council housing. Years ago council housing was not such an expense as most households paid their own full rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 The point I was making was that many in council houses are eligible for housing benefits nowadays so this is another expense related to council housing. Years ago council housing was not such an expense as most households paid their own full rent. But the same people, were they in private rented accommodation - possibly even an ex council house, would still be eligible for housing benefit. In fact, because rents in the private sector are generally greater than those in the public sector, they get even more in housing benefit. Years ago private housing was not such an expense as most households paid their own full rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 But the same people, were they in private rented accommodation - possibly even an ex council house, would still be eligible for housing benefit. In fact, because rents in the private sector are generally greater than those in the public sector, they get even more in housing benefit. Years ago private housing was not such an expense as most households paid their own full rent. I was referring to those who had purchased their homes and were paying mortgages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I was referring to those who had purchased their homes and were paying mortgages. My main point is the claims you're making for the economic benefits of selling council houses don't add up because you keep ignoring important details. e.g. Claiming that selling council houses means councils save money because no longer have to pay to maintain them whilst ignoring the fact that councils receive rent from those houses they do keep - which pays for their maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 My main point is the claims you're making for the economic benefits of selling council houses don't add up because you keep ignoring important details. e.g. Claiming that selling council houses means councils save money because no longer have to pay to maintain them whilst ignoring the fact that councils receive rent from those houses they do keep - which pays for their maintenance. But if much of the rent is paid from housing benefit ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 180,000,000,000 = 180 billion. Roughly the overspend compared to tax revenues by the last government in 2009 alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 But if much of the rent is paid from housing benefit ........ And the housing benefit that's paid to private landlords...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 What's that got to do with social housing and anyway, can you explain why the tories spent more in 2.5 years of government than Labour did under 3 terms? Very simple. They didn't. You just made it up as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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