Explosions at the Boston Marathon 15 April 2013

[tinfoilhat]

Maybe the radical vegans kidnapped it - with help from the hippy girl from the flat upstairs. Maybe the supreme order of wild gruts are involved?

I saw some people with hands and faces - that's highly significant; maybe the army of the totally witless are behind the whole shebang?

 

And before you know there will be a picture of a butcher talking to a civillian contractor.

 

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Common? Look again, 'comm gear' = communications gear. I'd expect a security team to have high tech communications, wouldn't you?

 

As for the 'undercover' aspect, what does 'undercover' actually mean to you? Because they surely did not look like they were undercover anything, being out there on the street in uniform and in plain sight of all you amateur armchair detectives and conspiracy freaks.

 

To be honest most of those pictures are at very least up for debate - you can't really attach any facts to them. The truth may well be quite mundane in the bigger picture - all though I doubt info wars will reveal much.

[Halibut]

The shock of the Boston bombing has not turned to hated of the 19 year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for me, I feel pitty and sadness for him. Don't get me wrong I feel far more for the victims of his actions but has the farther of a 19 year old son I can't help but see him as a victim of his elder "Farther figure" bro's radicalisation. I have little no pitty for his dead brother. He will if he lives reflect on what his brother dragged him into and I'm sure this will punish him to the point he wishes he was dead. Radical Islam makes victims also of its young converts, will it end?

 

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear such a conciliatory tone towards Dzokhar. I think he's done amazingly well to still be alive. He did an appalling thing and will have to carry the can for it, but I'm not sure it makes sense to attribute the crime to radical Islam - far too early to tell and it looks more like nationalism rather than Islamism to me.

[andygardener]

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear such a conciliatory tone towards Dzokhar. I think he's done amazingly well to still be alive. He did an appalling thing and will have to carry the can for it, but I'm not sure it makes sense to attribute the crime to radical Islam - far too early to tell and it looks more like nationalism rather than Islamism to me.

 

What nationalism? I don't see any evidence at all of any nationalism. Motivation is islamism surely?

 

Occams razor suggests bonkers death worshiping islamist so unless you have some evidence to the contrary?

[johncocker]

You mean lackanooky was behind it? These brothers had American friends even if one posted online that he didnt. I'm sure they both had a girlfriend here and there occasionally also Two nights after the bombing one or both of of them went to a party at the University of Mass in Dartmouth

 

One thing is for certain. At one time or other they became radicalized into Jihadism. I see this as a problem which will occur in the future among some young men who were either born in or whose parents came from the middle east or the Muslim countires bordering Russia and China

 

how many times have I heard that young men therory

Imagine if the brothers Tsarnaev were instead billy and joe a pair of southern boys who’d driven up to Boston in a pickup truck for a final bloody showdown with Barack Obama’s liberal America. Right now you’d be reading massive reports about the menace of fundamentalist Christianity. Reporters would be camped outside the church billy and joe attended every week to hear about the evils of abortion and gay marriage.’

Alas, both dead and surviving Tsarnaev boys were of the Islamic faith, a fact that traditionally sends media types into “we cannot know” mode.

 

 

 

 

The usual next step in any terrorism talk seeking to evade harsh views of Islam is to spread the blame. “This is looking like homegrown terrorism,” “Why would someone who pretty much has had an American education and upbringing perform an act of terrorism like this?”

“This is the big mystery. Why do these people end up getting radicalised? Is it something about living in the local culture?”

I heard the Boston Globe‘s Kevin Cullen on radio the morning after the big Tsarnaev hunt: “A caller came on the air and started talking about how we’ve got to look in the mirror and ask what we as Americans have done to create angry young men like this.”

There are those young men again. A mature investigation might look at another common factor. Whatever could it be?

btw remember the fort hood massacre Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old U.S. Army major serving as a psychiatrist just before he stood up and murderd 13 people he shouted allah akbar...that might give you a clue

 

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The shock of the Boston bombing has not turned to hated of the 19 year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for me, I feel pitty and sadness for him. Don't get me wrong I feel far more for the victims of his actions but has the farther of a 19 year old son I can't help but see him as a victim of his elder "Farther figure" bro's radicalisation. I have little no pitty for his dead brother. He will if he lives reflect on what his brother dragged him into and I'm sure this will punish him to the point he wishes he was dead. Radical Islam makes victims also of its young converts, will it end?

 

 

for gods sake give it a rest:loopy:

lets hear some sadness and pity for the first responders who ran towards the fray, within seconds. lets here about the ones wearing the yellow jackets, or the neon police vest who helped out, tell me the story about the first responder who held gauze over the wound until they made it to the hospital or the volunteer who held the hand of the injured spectator until they got him in the ambulance.

In six months, will I hear some pity and sadness about those who lost a limb,? who beat the odds, pulled through countless operations, and are learning to walk again ,Tell me the story about the love, the compassion and the never-ending support of thousands, millions of people who support the victims. Tell me everything you can about them because they are one's that really deserve pity and saddness

[mikem8634]

for gods sake give it a rest:loopy:

lets hear some sadness and pity for the first responders who ran towards the fray, within seconds. lets here about the ones wearing the yellow jackets, or the neon police vest who helped out, tell me the story about the first responder who held gauze over the wound until they made it to the hospital or the volunteer who held the hand of the injured spectator until they got him in the ambulance.

In six months, will I hear some pity and sadness about those who lost a limb,? who beat the odds, pulled through countless operations, and are learning to walk again ,Tell me the story about the love, the compassion and the never-ending support of thousands, millions of people who support the victims. Tell me everything you can about them because they are one's that really deserve pity and saddness

 

It is part of human nature to sympathise and empathise with tradgedy and loss in all of their guises and forms. There are many victims of these terrible events and all deserve consideration.

 

Nobody is claiming that the examples you give do not warrant both admiration and sympathy. They most certainly do and you have made the point very evocatively.

 

However, as I have said before, it is perfectly possible to express feeling of sadness relative to the victims on both sides of the equation. They are not mutually exclusive and choosing to voice concern for one does not equate to a lack of concern for the other.

[buck]

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear such a conciliatory tone towards Dzokhar. I think he's done amazingly well to still be alive. He did an appalling thing and will have to carry the can for it, but I'm not sure it makes sense to attribute the crime to radical Islam - far too early to tell and it looks more like nationalism rather than Islamism to me.

While Boston, and indeed New England in general is not the area of brotherly love. We leave that to Philadelphia. But there is not a sense around here of absolute hatred and revenge of the man, or of muslims in general. I think we are glad he's alive. He is apparently communicating with the police by notepad. He cannot undo what was done, but he now has to live with his conscience for what is left of his life.

[mikem8634]

While Boston, and indeed New England in general is not the area of brotherly love. We leave that to Philadelphia. But there is not a sense around here of absolute hatred and revenge of the man, or of muslims in general. I think we are glad he's alive. He is apparently communicating with the police by notepad. He cannot undo what was done, but he now has to live with his conscience for what is left of his life.

 

That's good to know. Hopefully there will be something that can be gleaned from him, some tiny element of knowledge that can add to the understanding of how this kind of thinking develops.

[Harleyman]

how many times have I heard that young men therory

Imagine if the brothers Tsarnaev were instead billy and joe a pair of southern boys who’d driven up to Boston in a pickup truck for a final bloody showdown with Barack Obama’s liberal America. Right now you’d be reading massive reports about the menace of fundamentalist Christianity. Reporters would be camped outside the church billy and joe attended every week to hear about the evils of abortion and gay marriage.’

Alas, both dead and surviving Tsarnaev boys were of the Islamic faith, a fact that traditionally sends media types into “we cannot know” mode.

 

 

 

 

The usual next step in any terrorism talk seeking to evade harsh views of Islam is to spread the blame. “This is looking like homegrown terrorism,” “Why would someone who pretty much has had an American education and upbringing perform an act of terrorism like this?”

“This is the big mystery. Why do these people end up getting radicalised? Is it something about living in the local culture?”

I heard the Boston Globe‘s Kevin Cullen on radio the morning after the big Tsarnaev hunt: “A caller came on the air and started talking about how we’ve got to look in the mirror and ask what we as Americans have done to create angry young men like this.”

There are those young men again. A mature investigation might look at another common factor. Whatever could it be?

btw remember the fort hood massacre Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old U.S. Army major serving as a psychiatrist just before he stood up and murderd 13 people he shouted allah akbar...that might give you a clue

 

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I dont remember reporters going to Tmothy McVeigh's hometown to hear about the views of his neighbors on America after the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma city. What makes you think that the media have interest in what they believe in? They would just want to talk about McVeigh

The elder Tsarnaev went back to Russia two years ago and seems to have become radicalized while in Chechnya but wannaba Jihadists dont necessarily have to spend time in Muslim countries to become so. Look at Finsbury Park Mosque and Richard Reid for example. How many more such places in Birmingham and Manchester and there must be more than a few in the US which bear scrutiny by the FBI.

It's a disease spread by the internet as well as by radical clerics. The army major you mentioned studied Jihadism on the internet.

There have been cases of soldiers who have become brainwashed white supremacists through the internet.

Unfortunately unlike TV you cant control what's there on the net. That's a pity .First Amendment freedoms and all that but at the same time in the last decade we've lost some individual freedoms as the price for our well being and security

 

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That's good to know. Hopefully there will be something that can be gleaned from him, some tiny element of knowledge that can add to the understanding of how this kind of thinking develops.

 

Wasnt anything gleaned from those youths who worshipped at Finsbury Park mosque a few years back? I would have thought that the UK would by now be the leading European authority on what makes a wannabe Jihadist's mind tick..... giving some pointers to the US in fact.

 

There's no "understanding" to be obtained from Tsarnaev just information about contacts he has here in the US to prevent another bombing.

 

If he needs understanding he can get that from the cleric just before they take him to that small room and the gurney with straps attached to it.

[Vaati]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451

 

They've charged him.

[mikem8634]

Wasnt anything gleaned from those youths who worshipped at Finsbury Park mosque a few years back? I would have thought that the UK would by now be the leading European authority on what makes a wannabe Jihadist's mind tick..... giving some pointers to the US in fact.

 

There's no "understanding" to be obtained from Tsarnaev just information about contacts he has here in the US to prevent another bombing.

 

If he needs understanding he can get that from the cleric just before they take him to that small room and the gurney with straps attached to it.

 

I disagree. It is the same scenario as psychologists and the FBI doing profiling work on serial killers. Knowledge and understanding can only help. The more you study a thing the more apparent its weaknesses become and the more likely it is that your strategy to counter it as effective as it possibly can be. I am sure a military man can understand that.