Explosions at the Boston Marathon 15 April 2013

[andygardener]

Very interesting stuff. This is what I was getting at regarding catalysts -

 

Perceived injustices are important drivers of individual decisions to become involved in militant activism. Catalyst events(i.e. violent acts that are perceived to be unjust) provide a strong sense of outrage and a powerful psychological desire for revenge and retribution (Silke2003). Importantly, one does not need to experience these unjust events first

hand in order to feel sufficiently motivated to become a terrorist. Indeed, the events do not even have to involve friends or family members. Many terrorists report that they first joined the organization after witnessing events on television or other media (e.g. O’Callaghan 1998). Although they did not

come from the area where the events occurred – or indeed even know the

people who lived there – at some level they identified with the victims. This

identification, combined with the perceived injustice of the event, can provide

a strong motivation to become involved in the jihad.

 

From the study I linked earlier (not sure why it has pasted so oddly).

 

It does, indeed, appear to be a fine balance regarding the grroming/intelligence factor, and one that is ripe for further action.

 

Out of interest, which 3 factors would you list?

 

Mike, we're talking about jihadis not overarching studies of terrorists in general. Black September, Danish Cartoons, Burma, Salman Rushdie, Mecca terrorist attack. A few things your jihadi will probably know of. Last on the annoyed list will be the attack on Mecca...go figure. Burma seems to provoking no reaction at all despite it being rather horrific. Black september raised but an eyebrow. Salman..lets all go mental. Danish cartoons..lets mental plus one.

 

Death is central to these people, they worship it. Trying to look at what motivates them after they join the cult is pointless, they live to die and the task then is simply to ensure they die without taking innocents with them.

 

Stopping the spread of the death cult is what we need to focus on and that requires a rebalance between intel gathering and propogation/infection.

[mikem8634]

Mike, we're talking about jihadis not overarching studies of terrorists in general. Black September, Danish Cartoons, Burma, Salman Rushdie, Mecca terrorist attack. A few things your jihadi will probably know of. Last on the annoyed list will be the attack on Mecca...go figure. Burma seems to provoking no reaction at all despite it being rather horrific. Black september raised but an eyebrow. Salman..lets all go mental. Danish cartoons..lets mental plus one.

 

Death is central to these people, they worship it. Trying to look at what motivates them after they join the cult is pointless, they live to die and the task then is simply to ensure they die without taking innocents with them.

 

Stopping the spread of the death cult is what we need to focus on and that requires a rebalance between intel gathering and propogation/infection.

 

Sorry Andy, you've lost me there. The study I quoted is called Holy Warriors: Exploring the Psychological Processes of Jihadi Radicalization - it's pretty relevant.

 

You can examine the author's credentials here if you're in any doubt

http://www.uel.ac.uk/lss/staff/andrewsilke/

 

Personally I am more interested in the motivation to join rather than motivation post radicalisation as that seems to be a far more uniform proposition. In case it came across incorrectly the 'very interesting stuff' part of my last post was directed at your previous one and I agreed with you about tackling propagation.

[andygardener]

Sorry Andy, you've lost me there. The study I quoted is called Holy Warriors: Exploring the Psychological Processes of Jihadi Radicalization - it's pretty relevant.

 

You can examine the author's credentials here if you're in any doubt

http://www.uel.ac.uk/lss/staff/andrewsilke/

 

In case it came across incorrectly the 'very interesting stuff' part of my last post was directed at your previous one and I agreed with you about tackling propagation.

 

The guys a professional criminologist, he's cashed in on terrorism and used his no doubt strong criminologist credentials to get busy earning pretending he knows the first thing about jihadis. Check out the funding sources, he's on a nice little earner telling mugs what they want to hear. Fair play to the guy, we all have to get paid, but I'm afraid not a credible source.

[mikem8634]

The guys a professional criminologist, he's cashed in on terrorism and used his no doubt strong criminologist credentials to get busy earning pretending he knows the first thing about jihadis. Check out the funding sources, he's on a nice little earner telling mugs what they want to hear. Fair play to the guy, we all have to get paid, but I'm afraid not a credible source.

 

That's a very poor argument Andy. You have no reason whatsoever to doubt his credibility.

 

Using your logic no expert testimony is to be trusted if the author has been paid. Is every book a lie?

 

I accepted your knowledge and you have nothing to back that up. Yet you cast unsubstantiated aspersions over knowledge and experience as comprehensive and respected as this -

 

Professor Andrew Silke (BSc Hons, AFBPsS, CSci, CPsych, PhD) holds a Chair in Criminology at the University of East London where he is the Field Leader for Criminology, and the Programme Director for Terrorism Studies. He has a background in forensic psychology and criminology and has worked both in academia and for government. Professor Silke has published extensively on issues to do with terrorism, conflict, crime and policing in journals, books and the popular press. He is the author of over 100 articles and papers on these subjects and has given numerous talks and invited lectures at conferences and universities across the world.

 

He has worked with a variety of government departments and law enforcement and security agencies. In the United Kingdom these include, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Defence, the UK prison service, the London Metropolitan Police as well as several other UK police forces. Overseas he has worked with the United Nations, the United States Department of Justice, the United States Department of Homeland Security, NATO, the European Defence Agency, the European Commission, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 

Professor Silke serves by invitation on the United Nations Roster of Terrorism Experts and the European Commission’s European Network of Experts on Radicalisation and formerly on the European Commission’s Expert Group on Violent Radicalisation. He has provided research advice to both the Royal Society in the UK and the National Academy of Sciences in the US. He has provided invited briefings on terrorism-related issues to Select Committees of the House of Commons and was appointed in 2009 as a Specialist Advisor to the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee for its inquiry into the Government's programme for preventing violent extremism. In 2010 he gave invited oral testimony before the Canadian Special Senate Committee on Anti-terrorism. He is a member of the International Association for Counter-terrorism and Security Professionals. He sits on the British Psychological Society’s working group on the Psychological Risk Assessment of those Convicted or Detained under Terrorist Related Offences, and has provided expert advice and testimony in many terrorism-related cases. His work has taken him to Northern Ireland, the Middle East and Latin America.

 

Professor Silke's reputation has made him a regular contributor to debates within the media, particularly on issues relating to terrorism, crime and psychology. His work has also been the focus of a number of television documentaries primarily relating to terrorism, the psychology of conflict, and the psychology of crisis situations.

 

I think there is a fair chance most would take his word over yours.

[skinz]

The guys a professional criminologist, he's cashed in on terrorism and used his no doubt strong criminologist credentials to get busy earning pretending he knows the first thing about jihadis. Check out the funding sources, he's on a nice little earner telling mugs what they want to hear. Fair play to the guy, we all have to get paid, but I'm afraid not a credible source.

 

 

Professor Andrew Silke (BSc Hons, AFBPsS, CSci, CPsych, PhD) holds a Chair in Criminology at the University of East London where he is the Field Leader for Criminology, and the Programme Director for Terrorism Studies.

 

In it for a buck..

 

Or

 

andygardener

[andygardener]

That's a very poor argument Andy. You have no reason whatsoever to doubt his credibility.

 

Using your logic no expert testimony is to be trusted if the author has been paid. Is every book a lie?

 

I accepted your knowledge and you have nothing to back that up. Yet you cast unsubstantiated aspersions over knowledge and experience as comprehensive and respected as this -

 

Professor Andrew Silke (BSc Hons, AFBPsS, CSci, CPsych, PhD) holds a Chair in Criminology at the University of East London where he is the Field Leader for Criminology, and the Programme Director for Terrorism Studies. He has a background in forensic psychology and criminology and has worked both in academia and for government. Professor Silke has published extensively on issues to do with terrorism, conflict, crime and policing in journals, books and the popular press. He is the author of over 100 articles and papers on these subjects and has given numerous talks and invited lectures at conferences and universities across the world.

 

He has worked with a variety of government departments and law enforcement and security agencies. In the United Kingdom these include, the Home Office, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Defence, the UK prison service, the London Metropolitan Police as well as several other UK police forces. Overseas he has worked with the United Nations, the United States Department of Justice, the United States Department of Homeland Security, NATO, the European Defence Agency, the European Commission, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 

Professor Silke serves by invitation on the United Nations Roster of Terrorism Experts and the European Commission’s European Network of Experts on Radicalisation and formerly on the European Commission’s Expert Group on Violent Radicalisation. He has provided research advice to both the Royal Society in the UK and the National Academy of Sciences in the US. He has provided invited briefings on terrorism-related issues to Select Committees of the House of Commons and was appointed in 2009 as a Specialist Advisor to the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee for its inquiry into the Government's programme for preventing violent extremism. In 2010 he gave invited oral testimony before the Canadian Special Senate Committee on Anti-terrorism. He is a member of the International Association for Counter-terrorism and Security Professionals. He sits on the British Psychological Society’s working group on the Psychological Risk Assessment of those Convicted or Detained under Terrorist Related Offences, and has provided expert advice and testimony in many terrorism-related cases. His work has taken him to Northern Ireland, the Middle East and Latin America.

 

Professor Silke's reputation has made him a regular contributor to debates within the media, particularly on issues relating to terrorism, crime and psychology. His work has also been the focus of a number of television documentaries primarily relating to terrorism, the psychology of conflict, and the psychology of crisis situations.

 

I think there is a fair chance most would take his word over yours.

I'm sure they would, because I don't make a living out of pretending to be an expert. I'd read some of his works if I were you before suggesting the chaps a credible academic and not just a workaday criminoligist who saw a big payday on 9/11 and has cashed in ever since.

[johncocker]

Definately a factor, but it has to come from somewhere. I imagine that sometimes it exists as part of the factors I listed like social alienation and isolation from government and that leads some into radicalisation. However, there are also probably instances when it isn't there in the beginning but is slowly created and reinforced by the radicalisation process to fill the moral and idealogical vacuum that Andy and I have been discussing.

 

Where do you think it comes from?

 

 

 

Radicalization is occurring throughout the Islamic world. The once secular countries of Egypt, Iraq and Libya are more fundamentalist than they ever were. Most Islamic countries are likewise. Government and civil society has failed in these areas to safeguard the health, rights and safety of the people. It's occurring in Chechnya,as it is elsewhere. Obviously if people were living happy, satisfied lives with fulfilling, meaningful work in a world of justice and peace, they would not be turning to radical ideas. But they don't, so they are.

 

where does it come from?--the unhappy, the dissatisfied?, . the people who want meaning beyond the depressing reality of their lives.?

 

 

Being a Muslim that believes it is their right and perhaps duty to take your life in their purposes is becoming popular. And there is a very visible segment of that population that considers your death or injury a good thing and furthers the destruction of the western world.

 

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Suprise Suprise the suspect was very well known too the FBI ( which is standard for every single domestic terror plot )

 

Russia warned FBI about the suspects -

 

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-fumbles-as-it-tries-to-cover-up-false-flag-asset-tamerlan-tsarnaev/

 

 

 

Shocking second vid proves suspect was alive - was stripped naked , was placed at the back of a police car -

 

And then ened up dead !

 

This official narrative stinks too high heaven:

 

http://www.infowars.com/tsarnaev-aunt-claims-naked-man-in-video-is-tamerlan

 

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Like the fairies in your garden ?

 

Each one of my links shows videos and pictures that the mainstream media have refused too show -

 

I am breaking a media BLACK OUT on this event .

 

 

I hope you know that its the CIA controlling the gravity on earth that stops us from flying off

[mikem8634]

I'm sure they would, because I don't make a living out of pretending to be an expert. I'd read some of his works if I were you before suggesting the chaps a credible academic and not just a workaday criminoligist who saw a big payday on 9/11 and has cashed in ever since.

 

Pretending to be an expert? Seriously?

 

I did read some of his work. I then quoted it to you as it contradicted what you had claimed. You then failed debate the point and chose to attack his character instead.

 

Even though you were attempting to undermine Silke's credibility by making spurious, unsubstantiated claims you succeeded only in undermining your own by relying on an ad hominem attack rather than a solid argument.

[buck]

No. Only completely rubbish ones such as yours. dunno why you don't give up really, no-one's taking you at all seriously.

No, let him go on if he wants to. He's the only one serious here. I hope you're all having a good laugh like I am.:hihi:

[SBCY]

Right , I'm the one being attacked as I'm asking questions and showing pictures which have been not made public by the mainstream press .

 

 

Serious Questions about the Boston Bombing:

 

1. Why do the suspects NOT have black back packs ? The older brother has a grey bag and the younger one has a white one -

 

 

The ones which exploded were black ( the exact same being used by the undercover CST team )

 

 

2. Footage after the bombing shows the two brothers who STILL have Thier back packs -

 

 

What the hell is going on ?