MrSmith Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I think politicians are filth, they are generally dishonest and self serving at the expense of the people they claim to represent. We need a new politics with a way to vote them out at anytime for no confidence, there's far too many wrongs going on with impunity for privilege. As for the flag waving comment it is apparent that people will just follow without questioning, even to a point that they can't/wont see what's in front of them it's toe curling to see adults with such childish devotion, it's ridiculous. We would be asked to vote every week because there will always be someone a little peeved at something the government is doing, and since it requires a majority to elect them it would surely require a majority to sack them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I think politicians are filth, they are generally dishonest and self serving at the expense of the people they claim to represent. We need a new politics with a way to vote them out at anytime for no confidence, there's far too many wrongs going on with impunity for privilege. As for the flag waving comment it is apparent that people will just follow without questioning, even to a point that they can't/wont see what's in front of them it's toe curling to see adults with such childish devotion, it's ridiculous. I wouldn't say that politicians are filth. But ther is a dishonesty and infantilism in politics which is dispiriting I'm not a Tory but Mrs Thatcher certainly knew who her supporters were, and rewarded them! I just wished Labour were as clear in that respect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I wouldn't say that politicians are filth. But ther is a dishonesty and infantilism in politics which is dispiriting I'm not a Tory but Mrs Thatcher certainly knew who her supporters were, and rewarded them! I just wished Labour were as clear in that respect! You are actually nearly correct. Labour did know who thatchers supporters were and did reward them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaFan Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 The credit crunch was, in my opinion, the responsibility, in this country of Blair and particualrly Brown. I do not see how you can blame Thatcher, she was out of power for many years before the credit crunch. It's all their fault, as well as both Bushes, Clinton and many others, not least the hedge funds and the banks. If you track back the roots of the credit crunch and financial crash are in the late 1980s with deregulation of financial markets and a shift away from lending against assets towards highly leveraged (debt-based) investment (gambling, essentially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 You can't round up the state of the economy with one figure (GDP) it's more complex than that. I'll remind you of that when GDP next goes negative and you start a thread called "Osbornes medicine isn't working". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I understand the points you make. I think it is unlikely that people will accept lower standards with equanimity. I suppose what none of us is really addressing is the fact that if people feel that they are being unfairly dealt with this could lead to destabilisation and ultimately violence. An overcrowded world with less resources to go around and a capitalist system unchallenged and unregulated is a dangerous cocktail. It has to be done fairly and that is a problem. Our system is increasingly driven by inequality and the dangers with pushing that further should be clear. Quite simply the neo liberal globalist experiment needs to end and be replaced with something better and fairer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 All these people complaining about a slow economy as forced Osborn’s hand, he as now decided to extend the help to buy scheme to include buy to let, in an hope to stimulate the property market and economy. Another property bubble that should get the economy moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 It has to be done fairly and that is a problem. Our system is increasingly driven by inequality and the dangers with pushing that further should be clear. Quite simply the neo liberal globalist experiment needs to end and be replaced with something better and fairer. I note in newly(ish) socialist(ish) France unemployment has reached a record level. Up 11.5% on a year ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22301063 Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I note in newly(ish) socialist(ish) France unemployment has reached a record level. Up 11.5% on a year ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22301063 Just sayin.... Hollande hasn't got a clue. I'm talking about something that is fairly close to the Green party economic policies but with the stupid impossible to achieve eco crap taken out. Read up on Citizens Income. It's actually a very neat idea - a safety net for all with a massively simplified benefits and personal tax system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I note in newly(ish) socialist(ish) France unemployment has reached a record level. Up 11.5% on a year ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22301063 Just sayin.... 1997 worst ever, eh? I was just finishing my national service that year, and finally able to draw a final line under my residency there. Thx for reminding me why... Still not found a bookie to give me odds on Hollande not finishing his term (been looking a fair while, as well). There's growing talk of civil unrest/disobedience (as in, vastly more than usual ) and this week's LePoint had a cover asking whether France is again at the 1789 'juncture', with Hollande photoshopped as Louis XVI. I was just over at Easter, and it's getting proper grim in many quarters and respects - wasn't surprised one bit at Hollande's 26% approval rating (...rather, I was surprised it was still that much!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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