Jeffrey Shaw Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes. I was taking my cue from you and ignoring the content of the post that I was replying to. Anyway. Bees. Good things, or bad? Should we applaud the EU for protecting them when our national government has failed to? Bees: good. EU: bad. HMG: somewhere about halfway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes. I was taking my cue from you and ignoring the content of the post that I was replying to. Anyway. Bees. Good things, or bad? Should we applaud the EU for protecting them when our national government has failed to? Of course we should. This why I'm a fence sitter when it comes to the eu - they make us do things we should be doing (like listening to scientists). Downside is they make us do things that aren't any of their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Remind me: what damned business of the EU is it? Google it, ask Greenpeace, ask RSPB, ask any wildlife protection group. ITS EVERYBODYS DAMN BUSINESS !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 No- just bungs from mug taxpayers like the UK's. I would favour coming out of the EU, but I do think that they have our interests at heart in regards to the environment. Where as the Tories couldnt give a t**s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Google it, ask Greenpeace, ask RSPB, ask any wildlife protection group. The difference is that neither Greenpeace nor the RSPB nor any of those groups arrogates to itself an extra-territorial jurisdiction with penalties imposed and tax-demanding powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradescanthia Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 The difference is that neither Greenpeace nor the RSPB arrogates to itself an extra-territorial jurisdiction with penalties imposed and tax-demanding powers. ---------- Post added 30-04-2013 at 23:09 ---------- The difference is that neither Greenpeace nor the RSPB nor any of those groups arrogates to itself an extra-territorial jurisdiction with penalties imposed and tax-demanding powers. Translate please ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Translate please ??? He will once he's wiped the foam off his monitor. :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Translate please ??? The EU is an autocratic superfluity. The other bodies aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeMac Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Bees: good. EU: bad. HMG: somewhere about halfway. So, if the neonicotinoids kill bees (and they do). We can surely agree that banning them is a good thing. I base that on your categorisation of bees as good. I share that opinion. So, in this case, surely the EU is a good thing. They are the ones banning the neonicotinoids, HMG objected. You need to learn to look at evidence more carefully. I'd expect better analytical skills and more objectivity from a lawyer. You are letting your prejudices cloud your judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If (for the sake of argument) the EU's evidence is accurate, let it be passed to national governments. It's they who ought to be deciding what to do, rather than the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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