skinz Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 However damaged a person feels reporting the crime so many years later, being aware that the person has a family who are going to suffer too isn't necessary going to bring closure. Just how much responsibility and weight exactly is a rape victim required to take? I can imagine the perp having family at any stage of his life, why does the victim have to take on that load? I realise that some women will be so traumatised that they will need professional help even years after the event, but at some point they will have to face the fact that however damaged they feel allowing such a traumatic event to control their lives and continually viewing themselves as a victim is never going to be help them regain mental strength and recovery.. Unless the rapist/ abuser is brought to book and the system recognises and puts into place a feeling of confidence no victim will come forward..let alone having to deal with such "trauma and damage". Not only are you suggesting the victim should "smarten themselves up" but should also consider the family of the rapist. Have you just popped out from some Victorian period drama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereolab Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 They'll all get dragged in at some point because people will hope with a wild accusation they'll be able to sue and earn a few quid. After 30-40 years they clearly can't be that bothered about justice, otherwise they'd have all come forward much, much earlier. In the 60s and 70s it was virtually impossible for young girls to make complaints and have them taken seriously - the police weren't interested, neither were the media weren't interested, the BBC/ITV weren't interested - just look at the Saville case. In many cases they DID contact the police only to be ignored, or accused of lying. Others felt they had no where to turn, or assumed they woulldn't be believed, so would have told no one. People are coming forward now because the police ARE finally taking them seriously. Comments like yours are just ignorant and unhelpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 In the 60s and 70s it was virtually impossible for young girls to make complaints and have them taken seriously - the police weren't interested, neither were the media weren't interested, the BBC/ITV weren't interested - just look at the Saville case. In many cases they DID contact the police only to be ignored, or accused of lying. Others felt they had no where to turn, or assumed they woulldn't be believed, so would have told no one. People are coming forward now because the police ARE finally taking them seriously. Comments like yours are just ignorant and unhelpful. All points conveniently ignored then..as they seem to be now by a particular mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stark Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 In the 60s and 70s it was virtually impossible for young girls to make complaints and have them taken seriously - the police weren't interested, neither were the media weren't interested, the BBC/ITV weren't interested - just look at the Saville case. In many cases they DID contact the police only to be ignored, or accused of lying. Others felt they had no where to turn, or assumed they woulldn't be believed, so would have told no one. People are coming forward now because the police ARE finally taking them seriously. Comments like yours are just ignorant and unhelpful. Actually I think you'll find that it's you that's being a tad ignorant if you think that none of the claims that are coming out recently could not possibly have anything to do with money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Yes I agree, RAPE is an abhorrent act against anyone, but unfortunately articles like in the Mail are happening a lot to innocent people which gives grave concern as to the validity of the charges, and indeed the person who has come forward with them. Which raises the question it's about time the law was changed to protect those who have been charged with sexual offences until proven guilty in a court of law. Correction: it is not happening a lot at all, another rape myth which needs to be dispelled. These rare cases make the front pages of the gutter press and perpetuate this ghastly myth that women regularly falsely accuse innocent men of sexual offences against them. Mucg research has been carried out and published on this and recently the CPS published a report about it. The anonymity argument rears its head every time there is a high profile arrest for rape/sexual abuse. Suspected rapists should not be granted anonymity any more than any other suspected criminal should be. Further more there have been cases where the naming of the suspect has secured the Crown's case as other victims have come forward (for example John Warboys). Here is also compelling account of why they should not be granted anonymity. If it is such a smear and slur upon one's character to be accused of rape, as so many argue, then why does the sentencing not reflect this awful crime, to be accused of? ---------- Post added 02-05-2013 at 09:23 ---------- Just how much responsibility and weight exactly is a rape victim required to take? I can imagine the perp having family at any stage of his life, why does the victim have to take on that load? Unless the rapist/ abuser is brought to book and the system recognises and puts into place a feeling of confidence no victim will come forward..let alone having to deal with such "trauma and damage". Not only are you suggesting the victim should "smarten themselves up" but should also consider the family of the rapist. Have you just popped out from some Victorian period drama? Quite. Many rape/abuse survivors carry a shed load of guilt around with them, why should they then be burdened with the added guilt of the effect of reporting their rapist on their families? Many survivors have to weigh this against the guilt and worry that if they do not report their rape/abuse, their rapist/abuser may go on/have gone on to rape and abuse others. Reporting a sexual offence is not a straight forward clear cut matter in the slightest, which is why so many don't for a multitude of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stark Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Two women every month, latest figures. Are being prosecuted for false rape allegations. Allegations that leave innocent mens lives in pieces. Anonymity is paramount to stop these evil, spiteful women from ruining innocent lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Actually I think you'll find that it's you that's being a tad ignorant if you think that none of the claims that are coming out recently could not possibly have anything to do with money. If people are purely driven by making financial claims, then why are they not going after serious multi-billionaire A listers instead of Z-listers and has beens who are undoutedly wealthy but hardly multi-millionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Two women every month, latest figures. Are being prosecuted for false rape allegations. Allegations that leave innocent mens lives in pieces. Anonymity is paramount to stop these evil, spiteful women from ruining innocent lives. Shall we put that in perspective? From The Independent: An average of 15,670 rapes are reported annually to police. So that's 0.15%. Surely what is paramount is to stop the evil perpetrators of rape who ruin innocent lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffragette1 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Two women every month, latest figures. Are being prosecuted for false rape allegations. Allegations that leave innocent mens lives in pieces. Anonymity is paramount to stop these evil, spiteful women from ruining innocent lives. As the DPP states: "The mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false," Starmer said. The report's demonstration that false allegations were relatively rare is therefore highly significant, he said. "That's why the numbers are really important." Shall we put that in perspective? From The Independent: So that's 0.15%. Surely what is paramount is to stop the evil perpetrators of rape who ruin innocent lives? Indeed. It's worrying how many seem to fall into this trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stark Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 If people are purely driven by making financial claims, then why are they not going after serious multi-billionaire A listers instead of Z-listers and has beens who are undoutedly wealthy but hardly multi-millionaires. I can only imagine that it's far easie, and although they are not billionaires I'm sure they're worth a pretty penny. During their hay day these z listers as you call them would just be like any other celeb, band etc. groupies hanging round backstage, changing rooms etc, no doubt some would be wanting some kind of relations with the celeb for bragging purposes or even some wild dream that they could even have a full relationship, marriage with them. So moving on, what could have been consensual or even instigated by the girl, years later after the humiliation of getting removed from the dressing room and them completely ignored by the celeb at every turn, then turns into revenge, especially now the green light is well and truly shining bright for all comers. Was you in this room with this person forty years ago? Yes your honour That's it then, must be guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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