Mister M Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 People may think I'm a Tory because of my constant (deserved) criticism of the Labour Party. I look upon Tory voters with the same condescending pity I apply to Labour voters. Did you not grow out of "spot the difference" competitions years ago? Political atheism is the way forward. Judge the policies, not the colour of the rosette being worn. Though I've noticed that you don't use any hilarious and amusingly clever names to describe Tories as you do with Labourites, such as your oft used 'Gordon Broon' or 'Ed Millipede'. I think I detect a little bias on your part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 People may think I'm a Tory because of my constant (deserved) criticism of the Labour Party. I look upon Tory voters with the same condescending pity I apply to Labour voters. Did you not grow out of "spot the difference" competitions years ago? Political atheism is the way forward. Judge the policies, not the colour of the rosette being worn. Howdo Baaaaaaaaaaarnsley Bill, funny I seem to remember you making posts relatively recently, saying you couldn't understand why so many people think the Tories are so bad! You have been promoting a 'Tax Payers' Alliance agenda on here for years, not to mention given a nod to none other than fruit loop David Icke! What's up, are you fed up with the Cons as well now that all that gold stashed under your bed has fallen so much in the last year or two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 In terms of % support across all Sheffield constituencies it could be 20%. Way more than one in five posters on political threads on here are Tory. Didn't the Tories shut down their main Sheffield office recently? You're assuming that SF users represent a cross section of the Sheffield population without any evidence. I mean, Those on here have some form of literacy and intelligence, that rules out at least half of the Labour supporting public in one swoop Only kidding, but there is some truth in it. Labour supporters, im my experience do tend to be more old fashioned, Yorkshire types, who typically for their generation will use the internet less often. Whereas the Lib Dem supporters tend to be more middle class, middle aged and student types who are generally more active online. Torys, i'm yet to meet many in Sheffield so its hard to make a generalisation for them. And before anyone attacks me, this is just a generalisation of the groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 You're assuming that SF users represent a cross section of the Sheffield population without any evidence. I mean, Those on here have some form of literacy and intelligence, that rules out at least half of the Labour supporting public in one swoop Only kidding, but there is some truth in it. Labour supporters, im my experience do tend to be more old fashioned, Yorkshire types, who typically for their generation will use the internet less often. Whereas the Lib Dem supporters tend to be more middle class, middle aged and student types who are generally more active online. Torys, i'm yet to meet many in Sheffield so its hard to make a generalisation for them. And before anyone attacks me, this is just a generalisation of the groups. I know SF users aren't a cross section. I'm not even sure a lot of the right wingers who post on here are even from Sheffield or have any connection at all with the city. Obviously it would a great accolade for the forum if parties thought it was important used their resources to influence opinion through here. ---------- Post added 02-05-2013 at 20:30 ---------- People may think I'm a Tory because of my constant (deserved) criticism of the Labour Party. I look upon Tory voters with the same condescending pity I apply to Labour voters. Did you not grow out of "spot the difference" competitions years ago? Political atheism is the way forward. Judge the policies, not the colour of the rosette being worn. Yes I gave up on spot the difference with the main parties. Because I could never spot any. I think the battle is more left vs right, with lots on both sides waking up to the idea that all we have is centrist parties with very similar policy sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I know SF users aren't a cross section. I'm not even sure a lot of the right wingers who post on here are even from Sheffield or have any connection at all with the city. Obviously it would a great accolade for the forum if parties thought it was important used their resources to influence opinion through here. Well this is the General Discussions section and there are no rules that only Sheffield residents can post on here, although I suspect some would like that ---------- Post added 02-05-2013 at 20:48 ---------- Yes I gave up on spot the difference with the main parties. Because I could never spot any. I think the battle is more left vs right, with lots on both sides waking up to the idea that all we have is centrist parties with very similar policy sets. The funny thing is, ALL the three major parties operate within the same Neo-Liberalism/Authoritarianism quadrant of the political spectrum these days. The modern day Labour party is in fact more right wing that the Tory's of the early 70's and Labour is more Authoritarian than the Torys are now. The Lib dems have been pulled away from a libertarian view point to one that is now considered to be Authoritarianism to a small degree. If people want to vote for a real Socialist party they are limited to the likes of the Greens now. Which is unfair if there is a sizable proportion of the population that would vote socialist if they had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Anton Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Just to put the record straight. These are county council elections. The Tories are defending 1,477 county council seats, Labour 255, the Liberal Democrats 480 and independents 125. The Tories got those 1477 seats because local voters voted for them last time around. Labour ended up with just 255 seat because folk didn't vote for them. I wouldn't doubt that the Tories will loose some seats, but if the still hold more than Labour I'm puzzled as to how that would be considered a melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Tories set to get a bloody nose from You Kipp. What a shame. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10032552/David-Cameron-heading-for-bloody-nose-from-Ukip-in-local-elections.html Care to answer my question please. If I'm wrong you can deny it by telling us which party you will or would be voting for tomorrow? Come on don't be shy. It would appear we have somone who is afraid of answering a direct question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Labour are the party that is imploding at the moment. They do seem to have done very badly in a situation (mid-term, unpopular government) in which they might have been expected to make substantial gains. Even Michael Foot did better than this: Gove taunts Labour over failure to gain a mid-term breakthrough A Labour source said it was ‘ludicrous’ to compare yesterday’s result with 1981, when the UK Independence Party was not a factor Isn't that the whole point? That UKIP is a factor? If Labour aren't getting the votes mid-term, a traditional time for disaffection with the incumbent government, they'd better hope that my prediction (UKIP voters to return to the main parties at the general election) is correct. I still predict a Labour win in 2015, although the "kick the can down the road" economic policies of the USA should have finally run out of road by then, leading to an even worse global economic crisis. IMF warns world economy risks chronic new phase of financial crisis Won't that be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I know SF users aren't a cross section. I'm not even sure a lot of the right wingers who post on here are even from Sheffield or have any connection at all with the city. It's simple to find out who people are, where they live and what they look like if you can be bothered, which is the why reason people are often prosecuted for activity over the Internet. At a lower level, some of the users on here don't actually believe some of the stuff they, themselves, come out with. No matter what you say and do somebody will always object to it, even if they secretly agree with what's said. keyboard warriors etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike208 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Political atheism is the way forward. Judge the policies, not the colour of the rosette being worn. I agree, but that's the crux of the problem. You vote for a bucket of (in theory, from the same side of the political spectrum) policies rather than individual ones - it's not like we can have a referendum for everything. I favour a number of Green Party policies but for me they are just too weak on many other important areas. I couldn't rationalise a vote for them other than as a protest vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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