retep Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 "Labour is in denial. It has seen opinion poll leads averaging only single figures, yet convinced itself that they signpost the New Jerusalem. It has read leadership survey after leadership survey showing Mr Miliband’s personal ratings plummeting, and said: ‘People just need to get to know him a bit more.’ And on Thursday Labour was pushed aside as the voters rushed to wave and cheer at UKIP’s travelling circus. The response? ‘We did OK.’ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2319221/DAN-HODGES-Red-Ed-marches-left-just-voters-moving-right.html#ixzz2SJM0Sh1e Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 "Labour is in denial. It has seen opinion poll leads averaging only single figures, yet convinced itself that they signpost the New Jerusalem. It has read leadership survey after leadership survey showing Mr Miliband’s personal ratings plummeting, and said: ‘People just need to get to know him a bit more.’ And on Thursday Labour was pushed aside as the voters rushed to wave and cheer at UKIP’s travelling circus. The response? ‘We did OK.’ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2319221/DAN-HODGES-Red-Ed-marches-left-just-voters-moving-right.html#ixzz2SJM0Sh1e Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook This comment says it all from that article in my mind: Labour is not currently on course to win the next election because it is not trying to win. It's sitting back, waiting for David Cameron to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 "Labour is in denial. It has seen opinion poll leads averaging only single figures, yet convinced itself that they signpost the New Jerusalem. It has read leadership survey after leadership survey showing Mr Miliband’s personal ratings plummeting, and said: ‘People just need to get to know him a bit more.’ And on Thursday Labour was pushed aside as the voters rushed to wave and cheer at UKIP’s travelling circus. The response? ‘We did OK.’ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2319221/DAN-HODGES-Red-Ed-marches-left-just-voters-moving-right.html#ixzz2SJM0Sh1e Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook That's an interesting spin on things. Labour did alright in the shires this time. They took hundred of seats. So did UKIP. I honestly don't see that Miliband is marching left. At most he's adding a veneer of slightly more leftness. Core policies remain emphatically unaltered and neo liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 This comment says it all from that article in my mind: Labour is not currently on course to win the next election because it is not trying to win. It's sitting back, waiting for David Cameron to lose 'tis often said that governments lose elections elections, not oppositions who win them. That said, Miliband and Labour need to come up with some big ideas wrt to reinvigorating the economy and how they are going to begin to rebuild the manufacturing base of this country, which has been obliterated in the pursuit of the fast buck over the last 30 years of Thatcherism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 There has been a lot of comment in the media to the effect that he conservatives are hemorrhaging support to UKIP. However given the amount of hate for the coalition and their current policies you would expect the Conservative and Lib Dem number of seats to be slashed. Personally I would have expected them to have lost more seats than they did. However you would have expected Labour to be picking up those votes where they actually went to UKIP. From that point of view you could argue that UKIP is a much bigger threat to Labour than it is to the Conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 There has been a lot of comment in the media to the effect that he conservatives are hemorrhaging support to UKIP. However given the amount of hate for the coalition and their current policies you would expect the Conservative and Lib Dem number of seats to be slashed. Personally I would have expected them to have lost more seats than they did. However you would have expected Labour to be picking up those votes where they actually went to UKIP. From that point of view you could argue that UKIP is a much bigger threat to Labour than it is to the Conservatives. With such powers of reasoning It is no surprise that you are a Lib Dem supporter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 With such powers of reasoning It is no surprise that you are a Lib Dem supporter! Rather than an ad hom attack perhaps you could give a counter argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesday1 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Rather than an ad hom attack perhaps you could give a counter argument? Thursdays shire county results comp to last time: Con -9 points Lab +7 UKIP-BNP +15 Lib Dem -11 (From Independent) The results though not great for Labour were not the unmitigated disaster they were for the Lib dems and Cons. The Lib Dems even lost a seat in their capital of Yeovil to Ukip. + Lab held South Shields in the by-election with very similar share of vote to last GE of 50.5% comp to 52%, therefore remained unchanged by Ukip surge. Lib Dem vote in South Shields went down from 14.2% to a lost deposit. How it is possible from these results,to conclude that the Ukip surge poses more threat to Lab is not obvious to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 More importantly and the reason why the Labour fanclub is not singing from the rooftop's at present, only 25% was unhappy with David Cameron and the Government. To be fair that is 25% if of UKIP voters not voters in general. You'll probably find over 25% of Conservative Party members are unhappy with David Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMoon Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Who cares? UKIP are closer to the Tories than Labour, so a vote lost to UKIP isn't half as bad as one lost to Labour! Most of UKIPS votes come from Tories. So a vote gained for UKIP is a vote lost for Tories. They will split the Tory vote, that's what Cameron is worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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