poppet2 Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 I guess you've just proved my point. What point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipspice Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 wouldnt that be going back hundreds of thousands of years ago? well said :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 What point? People will be shocked when they discover UKIP's policy on university places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 People will be shocked when they discover UKIP's policy on university places. I found the following re. UKIP's education policies. Replacing tuition fees with grants is great news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm Encourage new grammar and specialist schools. Introduce "Comprehensive Test" to assess merit across academic and non-academic abilities. More powers for governors and favour home education. More on-the-job teacher training and insistence on higher qualifications for aspiring teachers. Scrap 50% target for young people going to university. Allow universities to choose on academic merit alone and change some back to skills and vocational colleges. Replace student loans and tuition fees with grants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 The return of grammar schools is an excellent idea. That way, intelligent children from no matter what area or background are given a chance to shine. Those from a deprived background, in particular, can achieve a radical upgrade to their lives and future careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 The return of grammar schools is an excellent idea. That way, intelligent children from no matter what are or background are given a chance to shine. Those from a deprived background, in particular, can achieve a radical upgrade to their lives and future careers. Are we going to see the return of secondary moderns as well? That way, less intelligent children from poorer backgrounds can be dumped on the scrap heap again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Not so. "Dumped" is pejorative. It was always possible for late-developers to move from secondary modern to grammar. And you omit the third type: technical schools. Don't you agree that technical training for a speciality is desirable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Not so. "Dumped" is pejorative. It was always possible for late-developers to move from secondary modern to grammar. I've seen enough documentaries to know that "dumped" is an appropriate term for the attitude towards kids who didn't get into grammar schools in the 1950s. And you omit the third type: technical schools. Don't you agree that technical training for a speciality is desirable? I'd like to see those proposing a return to grammar schools propose what they are going to do to educate all children, not just the bits they think will get them the more votes. Why aren't you lauding what UKIP plan to do for the non-grammar school kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I've seen enough documentaries to know that "dumped" is an appropriate term for the attitude towards kids who didn't get into grammar schools in the 1950s. A lot of crap happened in the 50's. We should have the benefit of hindsight so we can see the crap for what it is and leave it where it belongs. Selecting kids for ability so they can be taught at a pace appropriate to it can only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 A lot of crap happened in the 50's. We should have the benefit of hindsight so we can see the crap for what it is and leave it where it belongs.I agree, we should. I'm not so confident that we would though. Selecting kids for ability so they can be taught at a pace appropriate to it can only be a good thing. That's what streaming is designed to achieve. It's also a lot more likely that a child will be moved between streams in the same school rather than between schools - particularly if, as now, schools are ranked by results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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