Leading Tory Nigel Evans arrested for rape and sexual assault

[LeMaquis]

....a paedophile can’t just decide one day to be attracted to people of their own age, there is no cure, it isn’t a disease, its a sexual orientation and nothing can change that, these people have to live their life without sexual partners and many do, many avoid places where there are children, if they become known they are ostracised by society, it must be a very lonely life. Obviously the ones that succumb to their desires need locking away, or hanging by their balls if that rocks your boat.

 

Here we go again. Nowhere in any of this discussion do you show any compassion towards the victims of paedophiles but you can express concern that paedophiles might be lonely or ostracised. And if people think paedophiles should be punished it's because they want their boats rocking. It's only paedophiles that deserve sympathy in your worldview.

 

Some paedophiles can learn to control their urges or at least not go where their urges may get out of control. Whether paedophilia is a disease is irrelevant. It's a criminal perversion which targets the weakest in society.

[Suffragette1]

Not wanting to be gay won't alter the fact that they are sexually attracted to people of the same sex, they can choose not to have sex with someone for the same sex, they can choose to have sex with someone of the operative sex and many do, but they can't choose whom they find sexually attractive. A married man with kids can be gay and some hide their true feeling throughout their lives.

 

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For someone that claims to work with sex offenders and victims you appear to know very little about the subject.

 

It is not a "claim", it is fact. My experience does not support your theory. If it is indeed true, that "they cannot help it" why are that not removed from society permanently? What is your expertise in this area? Furthermore, many professionals would also disagree with you.

 

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Here we go again. Nowhere in any of this discussion do you show any compassion towards the victims of paedophiles but you can express concern that paedophiles might be lonely or ostracised. And if people think paedophiles should be punished it's because they want their boats rocking. It's only paedophiles that deserve sympathy in your worldview.

 

Some paedophiles can learn to control their urges or at least not go where their urges may get out of control. Whether paedophilia is a disease is irrelevant. It's a criminal perversion which targets the weakest in society.

 

Indeed. Quite frightening that empathy is for the misunderstood child abuser and not the victims of CSA.

[skinz]

I think he's about to go through a period of Metamorphosis. The subject of Paedophilia being the trigger.

[MrSmith]

Nowhere in any of this discussion do you show any compassion towards the victims of paedophiles but you can express concern that paedophiles might be lonely or ostracised.

Wrong again are you ever right, you read what you want to see and not what is on the page.

 

 

And if people think paedophiles should be punished it's because they want their boats rocking. It's only paedophiles that deserve sympathy in your worldview.

 

Again wrong, read what is on the page, I said child abusers should be locked up, or whatever other punishment society wants to inflict on them

 

Some paedophiles can learn to control their urges or at least not go where their urges may get out of control. Whether paedophilia is a disease is irrelevant. It's a criminal perversion which targets the weakest in society.

 

Yes I already said that, but your inability to read what is on the page is astounding.

 

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It is not a "claim", it is fact. My experience does not support your theory. If it is indeed true, that "they cannot help it" why are that not removed from society permanently? What is your expertise in this area?

 

Why not explain how a paedophile becomes a paedophile and how they are cured.

I think many of you are confusing child abuse with paedophilia, not all child abusers are paedophiles and not all paedophiles are child abusers.

 

 

 

Furthermore, many professionals would also disagree with you.

 

Many professionals now think that paedophilia is a sexual orientation.

The consensus is that it can't be cured.

I imagine you are still of the opinion that electrocuting them will somehow cure them.

[ronthenekred]

What happened to your dyslexia? It's a miracle, it's gone.

[skinz]

 

Again wrong, read what is on the page, I said child abusers should be locked up, or whatever other punishment society wants to inflict on them

 

Why lock them up? After all it's only a sexual preference like homosexuality..isn't it?

 

 

 

Why not explain how a paedophile becomes a paedophile and how they are cured.

I think many of you are confusing child abuse with paedophilia, not all child abusers are paedophiles and not all paedophiles are child abusers.

 

Could you be a little more definitive please. I don't think anyone is confusing anything. It's obvious not all child abusers are paedophiles, but all paedophiles are child sex abusers...unless you bastardize Syntax.

 

Many professionals now think that paedophilia is a sexual orientation.

 

Your consensus being considering your advocation is you believe this to be true? rather than sexual deviation?

[Suffragette1]

Wrong again are you ever right, you read what you want to see and not what is on the page.

 

 

 

 

Again wrong, read what is on the page, I said child abusers should be locked up, or whatever other punishment society wants to inflict on them

 

 

 

Yes I already said that, but your inability to read what is on the page is astounding.

 

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Why not explain how a paedophile becomes a paedophile and how they are cured.

I think many of you are confusing child abuse with paedophilia, not all child abusers are paedophiles and not all paedophiles are child abusers.

 

 

 

 

 

Many professionals now think that paedophilia is a sexual orientation.

The consensus is that it can't be cured.

I imagine you are still of the opinion that electrocuting them will somehow cure them.

 

Many paedophiles who do not contact abuse view child abuse images and are, therefore, child abusers by default in partaking in the viewing of images of children being abused as a child cannot consent to be photographed or filmed in such a manner.

 

I have no idea where you get the notion that I am pro-capital punishment when I have unequivocally stated on the April Jones thread that I oppose it.

 

Your views are very much like Tom O'Carroll's. If indeed paedophilia is incurable then life sentences should be imposed.

 

There are lots of theories about the psychology and development of paedophilia, I'll have to come back to that one as I haven't time to go into it now. Many are highly suspect in my view.

[skinz]

"The Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine at the Berlin University hospital "Charité", under the direction of Prof. Klaus M. Beier, offers preventive therapies for pedophile men. Users of abuse images on the internet are addressed as well.

 

Interview by Stefan Tomik

 

May 28, 2010

Professor Beier, what do researchers know about people who abuse children?

 

There are two groups of offenders: about half of them have a pedophile inclination, i.e., a sexual responsiveness to the child's body. In contrast, the others are sexually focused on adults, but for various reasons, they are not in a position to realize sex with age-appropriate partners. They switch to children.

 

How many pedophiles are there?

 

A separate study showed us that about one percent of all men find the child's body arousing. In Germany, that would come up to about 250,000 persons affected. This corresponds to the prevalence of Parkinson's disease, approximately.

 

Is pedophilia curable?

 

No, and on this point all experts agree. Nevertheless, there are always voices that claim the opposite. In fact, the sexual preference structure is formed in adolescence and is thereafter immutable. No one can be made responsible for his inclinations, but only for his behavior. So our project starts with behavioral control. We reduce reality distortions, promote the ability to empathize with victims, and involve partners or relatives. Medication can also be very helpful to suppress sexual impulses.

 

Last year, you expanded your project on the use of abuse images on the internet.

 

We soon realized that most men who come to us have long been using photos from the internet. Such images are an infinite humiliation of the victims. They are also believed to lower the users' threshold for real abuse. The web lacks any social control.

 

How do the persons affected justify themselves?

 

Sometimes even highly intelligent men have an alarmingly low awareness of the problem. Here quite a number of cognitive distortions play a part. They say for example, "But the pictures are already made, and when I look at them now, where is the problem?" On a rational level, we can usually convince them that the demand increases the supply and thus entails further abuse. But wishful thinking is much more powerful. Another self-deception: "I cannot see that the children in the pictures are suffering - they appear to be very interested and also enjoying it." In order to exonerate themselves, they attribute the desire to the children; they actually believe that there are seven- or eight-year old girls who wish to have "sexual experiences" with an adult, including sexual intercourse. Some viewers have been convincing themselves of that for 20 years. It is difficult to correct this distortion of perception.

 

How do you proceed?

 

With those affected, we review the images they use, because these identify precisely their sexual preferences. Thus we gain insight into the programming of the person, into his brain. This is important for diagnosis and therapy. It is the prerequisite for preventing a relapse effectively. Such an approach should be used much more often. But the judges do not examine the confiscated computer files of a convicted offender. Here opportunities are missed.

 

The State punishes without offering help?

 

Even offenders who are accused of child sexual abuse in court, are rarely examined by experts. Examinations of perpetrators, who are charged with the use of child pornography, are the absolute exception; although through the images - i.e., the evidence - an expert would have a good basis for statements about prognosis and therapy.

 

The coalition is considering whether to make the assessment of offenders at the trial obligatory.

 

That would be a good thing, but honestly, it has to be admitted that there would not be enough experts with qualification and experience in sexual medicine to implement it.

 

Conservatives and Liberals are proposing stronger sanctions on the possession of child pornography. Fines instead of prison?

 

Many offenders only laugh about fines. In addition, a rapid implementation of the criminal law is rare.

 

How can you draw people's attention to your project?

 

We want to reach those affected where they look for abuse images, that is on the internet. For example, if they enter typical key terms in the search engines, a message could appear that points users to our prevention project.

 

What's the problem?

 

We have produced banners in all formats, but the search engine operators do not support the effort.

 

But the internet industry claims that it is supporting the fight against child abuse.

 

That's what Google also told me. They said our project was very interesting; they would examine it; and only needed the consent from America. That was last summer. We never heard from them again.

 

Does the internet exacerbate the problem of pedophilia?

 

Yes, in several respects: access to child abuse images is easier and easier; the images reduce the critical self-awareness of users and thus probably the threshold for direct action. Studies show that young people now have very early first contact with pornography on the internet. If the preference structure manifests in early adolescence, such pictures leave traces. In our clinical work, even 12-13-year olds report that images appear in their masturbation fantasies, which they have seen on the internet. This is a huge, unethical human experiment, and it is a complete mystery to me why this goes on unhindered".

 

Source:

 

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~E614C521816EB4D17ADFBF9C5D85AACD7~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

[MrSmith]

Why lock them up? After all it's only a sexual preference like homosexuality..isn't it?

We don’t lock people up because of their sexual preference; we lock them up if they abuse children. There are many paedophiles living in the community.

 

 

 

 

Could you be a little more definitive please. I don't think anyone is confusing anything. It's obvious not all child abusers are paedophiles, but all paedophiles are child sex abusers...unless you bastardize Syntax.

 

This is the part that you are confused about.

 

Your consensus being considering your advocation is you believe this to be true? rather than sexual deviation?

Might be my dyslexia but that doesn't make any sense.

 

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Many paedophiles who do not contact abuse view child abuse images and are, therefore, child abusers by default in partaking in the viewing of images of children being abused as a child cannot consent to be photographed or filmed in such a manner.

If you know of any paedophiles that are viewing child pornography you should report them.

 

 

 

I have no idea where you get the notion that I am pro-capital punishment when I have unequivocally stated on the April Jones thread that I oppose it.

 

I haven't said anything about capital punishment; I was referring to a method of treatment that some people still advocate. Some people are of the silly notion that eclectic shock theory will cure a paedophile.

 

Your views are very much like Tom O'Carroll's. If indeed paedophilia is incurable then life sentences should be imposed.

 

How will you know who they are when many don't offend.

 

 

There are lots of theories about the psychology and development of paedophilia, I'll have to come back to that one as I haven't time to go into it now. Many are highly suspect in my view.

 

Which would be just your opinion.

 

Paedophilia: bringing dark desires to light

The Jimmy Savile scandal caused public revulsion, but experts disagree about what causes paedophilia - and even how much harm it causes.

[skinz]

 

Might be my dyslexia but that doesn't make any sense.

 

 

"Many professionals now think that paedophilia is a sexual orientation.".

 

 

If I could be arsed to go back enough, I'm sure I could find this argument you've used in the past...hence the consensus being yours considering you've advocated it as an argument on more than one occasion?