truman Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Hi it's Stupid here, only an idiot would allow the tories to get away with what they do. Don't the rich get more in wages and profit now than they did then. The poor get poorer, and rich get richer! If it's all the Tories' doing then how come the earnings gap grew at a high rate during the Labour government's time in office? Genuine question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff1johnny Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I haven't insulted you though. Do you only respond to insulting posts? You've dodged both my posts. Is there any reason? I thought I'd answered it in my previous post, saying people get more money isn't always true. On paper it is, but in reality with the rising cost of everything, the money people are left with is a lot less. And fair comment you haven't insulted me. Also a lot of rich people have clever accountants to make sure they pay as little tax as possible. In fairness this has always happened, and it is always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I thought I'd answered it in my previous post, saying people get more money isn't always true. On paper it is, but in reality with the rising cost of everything, the money people are left with is a lot less. And fair comment you haven't insulted me. Also a lot of rich people have clever accountants to make sure they pay as little tax as possible. In fairness this has always happened, and it is always wrong. That wasn't answering the points I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanic99 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Nice bit of dodging there. I expected as much. ---------- Post added 10-07-2013 at 00:46 ---------- Since you mentioned income tax, look at the figures. Labour 2009 Income £10k - take home £8,823 2009 Income £100k - take home £65,308 2009 Income £200k - take home £124,308 Coalition Today Income £10k - take home £9,617 Today Income £100k - take home £64,963 Today Income £200k - take home £116,687 Run the bold by me again sheff1johnny? Well the Telegraph seems to agree with what he's posted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9657120/FTSE-100-directors-enjoy-27pc-pay-rises.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 This, titantic, was sheff1jonny's original claim... at the end of the day, only the tories would have given the rich boys a 5% tax cut. Well the Telegraph seems to agree with what he's posted. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9657120/FTSE-100-directors-enjoy-27pc-pay-rises.html And this backs up what he's said? Or do you mean backs up what he started to move the goalposts to, upon realising he was wrong? here... The price of living has gone up, bills are higher, bus fares or petrol are higher, food is higher, so maybe a tax cut is no real cut at all. The ordianary person is worse off. - Yeah I can see why a random link to bankers backs up this part of the new claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Just out of interest, is there a link to those tax figures ? Am not disputing, just can't work it out and am curious to see how it's calculated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 But, back on the topic- the benefit cut/cap (a.k.a. 'bedroom tax')... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanic99 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 This, titantic, was sheff1jonny's original claim... And this backs up what he's said? Or do you mean backs up what he started to move the goalposts to, upon realising he was wrong? here... - Yeah I can see why a random link to bankers backs up this part of the new claim. The bit highlighted was reference to the rich getting richer, while the poor get poorer. I merely provided the link to show evidence of what he/she is saying as being correct on the former point. Irrespective of peoples political preference, if you can't see this as being the case then you shouldn't really be contributing to the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Just out of interest, is there a link to those tax figures ? Am not disputing, just can't work it out and am curious to see how it's calculated. Thanks. Here or here (for earlier dates, and a bit more detail) - The bit highlighted was reference to the rich getting richer, while the poor get poorer. It doesn't show anything about the poor, it's just a random link showing a few people at the top of rich business making a killing. Hardly representative of anything we were talking about. It's just drifting tactics used when people post nonsense. I don't know why you've picked up on it, unless you can argue against the claim of 'at the end of the day, only the tories would have given the rich boys a 5% tax cut.' Irrespective of peoples political preference, if you can't see this as being the case then you shouldn't really be contributing to the discussion. If you can't see false claims in an argument then perhaps you shouldn't be contributing to the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteowl Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Thanks for that Ash, it was the 50% rate coming in between those 2 years that was confusing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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