Bounce Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 With islamist terrorists I do think there is a happy medium. They desire jihad and martyrdom, ie killing others and themselves. We cannot accept jihad but we can accommodate "martydom" by killing them. A sustained eradication program would show a commitment to meet their needs halfway and defuse the situation by both increasing "martydom" which they like and killing them which obviously makes our job easier. A win win. yes but martyrdom is not actually a demand it's a consequence of an action taken for example a soldier fighting and dying for his country is a martyr for that nation. As far as the woolwich attack goes the man on camera didn't demand martyrdom. Had he not been carrying a knife and meat cleaver in bloodied hands after cutting a mans head of what he demanded wasn't even unreasonable. Most people want Cameron removed and want an end to the occupation of Afghanistan. However I don't see how these two nut jobs disturbed actions will achieve such ends. Instead it will give the far right ammunition to now stir up communal tensions which is exactly what they'e doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 yes but martyrdom is not actually a demand it's a consequence of an action taken for example a soldier fighting and dying for his country is a martyr for that nation. As far as the woolwich attack goes the man on camera didn't demand martyrdom. Had he not been carrying a knife and meat cleaver in bloodied hands after cutting a mans head of what he demanded wasn't even unreasonable. Most people want Cameron removed and want an end to the occupation of Afghanistan. However I don't see how these two nut jobs disturbed actions will achieve such ends. Instead it will give the far right ammunition to now stir up communal tensions which is exactly what they'e doing. Whatever, we need to kill every jihadi and in doing so they get martyrdom and it's a win win. These inhuman rats need exterminating and they actually like being killed. What we have been messing about at I have no idea, erredication program live tommorow, wipe them out job done,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Whatever, we need to kill every jihadi and in doing so they get martyrdom and it's a win win. These inhuman rats need exterminating and they actually like being killed. What we have been messing about at I have no idea, erredication program live tommorow, wipe them out job done,. they're not Jihadis there is no such thing as a Jihadi they're just nut jobs. Jihad is to struggle and strive to achieve a goal that can be the goal of becoming a better human being, the goal of achieving victory in a war, the goal of caring for a sick person ect. By your logic those those white nut jobs in America who regularly shoot up schools before shooting themselves or waiting for the Police to shoot them should be referred to as honkis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 they're not Jihadis there is no such thing as a Jihadi they're just nut jobs. Jihad is to struggle and strive to achieve a goal that can be the goal of becoming a better human being, the goal of achieving victory in a war, the goal of caring for a sick person ect. By your logic those those white nut jobs in America who regularly shoot up schools before shooting themselves or waiting for the Police to shoot them should be referred to as honkis. Jihadi/islamist/whatever The scum who shout allan snackbar while killing is what we are talking about and their cheerleaders. Do you agree these scum need wiping out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafya Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Jihadi/islamist/whatever The scum who shout allan snackbar while killing is what we are talking about and their cheerleaders. Do you agree these scum need wiping out? Go and join the Army if you feel so strongly otherwise carry on chopping down trees and doing a bit of weeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Go and join the Army if you feel so strongly otherwise carry on chopping down trees and doing a bit of weeding. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Whatever, we need to kill every jihadi and in doing so they get martyrdom and it's a win win. These inhuman rats need exterminating and they actually like being killed. What we have been messing about at I have no idea, erredication program live tommorow, wipe them out job done,. What has made you so angry Andy? It can't be good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 What the hell is that supposed to mean? I think mayfa is trying to point out that unless you're prepared to drop what you're doing "cutting down trees" or summat then the use of the term "we" rather than someone else to do what you suggest is a little easy from behind a pooter. At this present time the lads over there are trying to snuff out these "jihadists", the pity is because of this the lads are being blown to bits or hacked to death...which is the opposite of a win win situation...plus we have to watch young wives on prime TV which I imagine isn't easy, because it sure aint easy to watch...quite the opposite really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 First define terrorism please? In the UK the Terrorism Act 2000 defines terrorism as: The use or threat of action designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public, or a section of the public; made for the purposes of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause; and it involves or causes: serious violence against a person; serious damage to a property; a threat to a person's life; a serious risk to the health and safety of the public; or serious interference with or disruption to an electronic system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Yes, obviously. If the terrorism is based on a real injustice, it makes sense to examine that and if necessary, make changes. There are examples where terrorist activity has led to talks and to change. South Africa's apartheid regime ended. total nonsense. Unlike in Zimbabwe where it really did have an effect, Umkhonto we Sizwe's so called 'liberation struggle' had a totally miniscule effect on bringing pressure to bear on the apartheid National Party in South Africa. All through the 1980s the so-called 'liberation struggle' were fighting amongst themselves more than against minority rule. What made South Africa ungovernable in the 1980s was the apartheid system itself which was always fated to eventually collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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