Old Tom Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 No. If I meant that I'd've written it. We're not secular. Church, law and state combine in one person - Lizzie II. We have unelected Bishops in the House of Lords. The Act of Settlement actively stops Catholicism and forces the monarch to be a Protestant. We are not secular. We have no written constitution protecting religious freedom. That power comes to us from European law. What utter cobblers. We have enjoyed religious freedom from way before the EU or European Law was thought of. The fact that our monarch is head of the Church of England ceased to be relevant when the monarchy was reduced to mostly symbolic role. Have you not noticed our monarch does not make law. That is done by the House of Commons? Just what part of religious freedom do you consider that you don't have? There is not one aspect of our lives that is dictated to us by the Church of England. That is fundamentally different from any non secular Muslim country where choosing to change your faith can invoke the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Islam along with all the other cults needs to be swept away from all our lives. Voluntarily one hopes. Even Stalin couldn't manage to get the Russian people to follow the official state policy of atheism. Even as an atheist I don't think I'd want to live in a country where freedom of religious worship was denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Voluntarily one hopes. Even Stalin couldn't manage to get the Russian people to follow the official state policy of atheism. Even as an atheist I don't think I'd want to live in a country where freedom of religious worship was denied. I think in most Islamic states you are free to worship who you like, although they have the freedom to stone you to death if that isn't Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 What utter cobblers. Which bit of what I said is false. Specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Britain has become a de facto secular country. It is not necessary to banish all Christian symbolism, in a reactionary way like France or Turkey did in their revolutions, in order to become secular. Secularism can evolve anyway and that is what has happened in Britain. There being a monarch who is also head of a particular faith is a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 They have them in churches too. But that doesn't mean they have any more influence than Lord Ahmed. But if we are supposed to be a secular state as some on here say then why should religious leaders have any say in our government? ---------- Post added 06-06-2013 at 10:02 ---------- There is not one aspect of our lives that is dictated to us by the Church of England. The laws passed by the commons have to be approved by the Lords...where there are religious leaders (Bishops)...so the Church can influence our lives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Britain has become a de facto secular country. It is not necessary to banish all Christian symbolism, in a reactionary way like France or Turkey did in their revolutions, in order to become secular. Yes it is. As long as we have an established state religion we cannot be truly secular. Secularism can evolve anyway and that is what has happened in Britain. There being a monarch who is also head of a particular faith is a red herring.No it isn't. Also you seem to be ignoring the 26 unelected people who get to make laws for all of us for no reason other than they are bishops in the official state religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 They have them in churches too. But that doesn't mean they have any more influence than Lord Ahmed. Bishops have an automatic vote on matters under discussion in the houses of parliament. That is concrete, indisputable, influence and power enshrined in the political framework of British government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 How anyone can argue that we're a secular nation while we still hold the Act of Settlement is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Lol yeah Mohammed invented constitutionalism that's hilarious. I did not say that- what I was alluding to was that Muhammad and the founding fathers held similar viewpoints -especially pertaining to equal rights and religious liberty. America’s founding fathers had a similar apathy for determining a person’s societal worth based on ethnicity and heritage. There are many similarities in the Declaration of Independence that was influenced by how Muhammad set up the charter of Medina. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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