Are police forces 'cultivating' abuse victims?

[Suffragette1]

I don't, because to cut their chance would mean they may loose some of the freedoms they enjoy, its a personal choice for each women how best to avoid being in a situation which may result in them being assaulted. I put measures in place to prevent my house being burgled, I take measures to negate my risk of being assaulted, each person is different and willing to take different levels of risk.

 

How would you cut the chances of women becoming a victim?

 

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How would you do that? We are all told crime is wrong yet our prisons prove that some people don't care.

 

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Same question. How?

 

We've tried to educate people with regard to drinking, speeding and using mobile phones whilst driving, it didn't work because people still drink, speed and use mobile phones whilst driving.

 

Many women already modify their behaviour to avoid 'stranger rape' which accounts for only 9% of rape and sexual assault. So how do you propose that we prevent the 91% of rape of women who know their rapist?

 

Should women view every man she knows as a potential rapist and have a chaperone at all times? Wear an anti-rape device? Live, work and socialise in female only spaces? Or perhaps we should be educating boys and men that rape is unacceptable; that they are not entitled to abuse and rape women, children and men; that when a woman is too drunk to consent, it is rape; that boys and men should respect girls and women. We need to challenge rape culture, victim blaming, the sense of male entitlement, misogyny, encourage more rape victims to come forward and report. All of the above will have a huge impact as don't forget that juries are comprised of regular members of the public, many of whom will be heavily influenced by rape myths. I know people researching this field who have found that rape myths and preconceptions greatly determine the outcome of rape trials.

 

There will always be morons who continue to flout laws but it's not just about the legalities of certain behaviours that need to get the message across, the morals and ethics which need to be inculcated.

 

The same applies to domestic violence and abuse or do you propose that women (and men) should not make themselves victims of this crime by just never entering a relationship and remaining single and celibate? Two women per week are murdered by a former or current partner, yet some (and I am not singling you out here) prefer to focus on the minute number of false rape allegations rather than address issues around violence against women and girls, which is far, far, far more prevalent than women lying about rape.

[MrSmith]

Many women already modify their behaviour to avoid 'stranger rape' which accounts for only 9% of rape and sexual assault. So how do you propose that we prevent the 91% of rape of women who know their rapist?

I don't propose anything, its out of my control, and it can't be policed, that leaves us with a potential victim and a potential abuser, if one abuses the other it is almost impossible to prove, we can't lock up the accused just on the word of the accuser. The victim is the only one with the power to prevent abuse if the abuser is intent on abusing them.

 

Should women view every man she knows as a potential rapist and have a chaperone at all times? Wear an anti-rape device? Live, work and socialise in female only spaces? Or perhaps we should be educating boys and men that rape is unacceptable; that they are not entitled to abuse and rape women, children and men; that when a woman is too drunk to consent, it is rape; that boys and men should respect girls and women. We need to challenge rape culture, victim blaming, the sense of male entitlement, misogyny, encourage more rape victims to come forward and report. All of the above will have a huge impact as don't forget that juries are comprised of regular members of the public, many of whom will be heavily influenced by rape myths. I know people researching this field who have found that rape myths and preconceptions greatly determine the outcome of rape trials.

 

How do you propose to educate men.

We've tried to educate people with regard to drinking, speeding and using mobile phones whilst driving, it didn't work because people still drink, speed and use mobile phones whilst driving.

There will always be morons who continue to flout laws but it's not just about the legalities of certain behaviours that need to get the message across, the morals and ethics which need to be inculcated.

 

The same applies to domestic violence and abuse or do you propose that women (and men) should not make themselves victims of this crime by just never entering a relationship and remaining single and celibate? Two women per week are murdered by a former or current partner, yet some (and I am not singling you out here) prefer to focus on the minute number of false rape allegations rather than address issues around violence against women and girls, which is far, far, far more prevalent than women lying about rape.

 

Pointing out what is happening and how it should be in an ideal world doesn't alter the realty that many of these crimes can't be proven, and many of the accused can't be educated. So how do you propose to end violence against women if you don't empower the women to end it themselves.

[Suffragette1]

I don't propose anything, its out of my control, and it can't be policed, that leaves us with a potential victim and a potential abuser, if one abuses the other it is almost impossible to prove, we can't lock up the accused just on the word of the accuser. The victim is the only one with the power to prevent abuse if the abuser is intent on abusing them.

 

 

 

How do you propose to educate men.

We've tried to educate people with regard to drinking, speeding and using mobile phones whilst driving, it didn't work because people still drink, speed and use mobile phones whilst driving.

 

 

Pointing out what is happening and how it should be in an ideal world doesn't alter the realty that many of these crimes can't be proven, and many of the accused can't be educated. So how do you propose to end violence against women if you don't empower the women to end it themselves.

 

I have already addressed your questions in #101. You start in schools, you challenge you have zero tolerance etc etc etc. It's all very well empowering women to say no etc but that is meaningless of men refuse to respect that.

[harvey19]

I think it will be interesting to see if any disciplinary action will be taken against officials and agencies who have been criticised in the report on long term abuse of children in Rotherham.

[Suffragette1]

I think it will be interesting to see if any disciplinary action will be taken against officials and agencies who have been criticised in the report on long term abuse of children in Rotherham.

 

I hope so, it's an absolute disgrace and the abuse was known about for years.

 

For Mr Smith et al. This is not rocket science and what we should be focusing on. This is also worth a read.

[Glamrocker]

Yes. But it's abundantly clear that the number of women who make false claims of rape is miniscule compared to the number of women who are raped and who get to see their attackers in court, let alone convicted.

 

It strikes me as odd that you seem to very frequently raise this point whilst making little or no comment about the fact that the odds remain massively stacked against women - you remain highly likely likely to be able to rape a woman and get away with it.

 

Wrong surely? Disturbing that you choose to focus almost exclusively on one side rather than the other I think.

If only one makes a false claim which leads to wrongful imprisonment ,thats enough ,as for my non comments nothing disturbing about it Suffragette puts it over more eloquently than I ever could and I agree with most of her comments but I also dont like to see the underdog batting alone,I would have thought you of all people would understand that.

I also concur with the principle that the Police may be looking for something thats not there in some of the recent cases.Police work on the numbers game,the more the merrier as far as they are concerned

[MrSmith]

I hope so, it's an absolute disgrace and the abuse was known about for years.

 

For Mr Smith et al. This is not rocket science and what we should be focusing on. This is also worth a read.

 

10 Top Tips to End Rape

 

By popular demand, the gender-neutral version:

 

1) Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks.

 

2) When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone.

 

3) If you pull over to help a person whose car has broken down, remember not to rape them.

 

4) If you are in a lift and someone gets in, don’t rape them.

 

5) Never creep into a person’s home through an unlocked door or window, or spring out at them from between parked cars, or rape them.

 

6) USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.

 

7) Don’t forget: it’s not sex with someone who’s asleep or unconscious — it’s RAPE!

 

Carry a whistle if you are worried you might assault someone ‘by accident’, you can hand it to the person you are with so they can call for help.

 

9) Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. If you have every intention of having sex later on with the person you’re dating regardless of how they feel about it, tell them directly that there is every chance you will rape them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, they may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape them and inadvertently feel safe.

 

10) Don’t rape.

 

All the above won't stop a rapist, but you can cut the risk yourself.

 

1) Don’t accept free drinks or leave your drink untended.

 

2) Avoid walking alone at night or walk in areas that are busy.

 

3) If you broken down ring the AA, Rac, ECT. If someone approaches stay in locked car.

 

4) Avoid being a lift alone.

 

5) When you are at home lock your doors.

 

6) USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! Being alone make you more vulnerable to attack.

 

7) Don’t forget: don't sleep with anyone this is likely to rape you whilst asleep.

 

Carry a whistle if you are worried about being assaulted by someone blow the whistle.

 

9) Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. If you have no intention of having sex with the person you’re dating or pick up in a club, tell them directly that there is no way they are having sex.

 

10) Don’t cry rape, if you haven't been raped, it makes it more difficult for those people that have been raped.

[JFKvsNixon]

All the above won't stop a rapist, but you can cut the risk yourself.

 

I must admit these three are my favourites.

 

 

7) Don’t forget: don't sleep with anyone this is likely to rape you whilst asleep.

 

Perhaps this is where a CRB, (it's actually a DBS check now) may come in hand, and maybe references as well?

 

9) Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. If you have no intention of having sex with the person you’re dating or pick up in a club, tell them directly that there is no way they are having sex.

 

In the real world people don't always go out with a single intention, they do often change their minds.

 

10) Don’t cry rape, if you haven't been raped, it makes it more difficult for those people that have been raped.

 

This will do nothing at all to stop a rapist, let me repeat absolutely nothing.

[MrSmith]

I must admit these three are my favourites.

 

 

 

 

Perhaps this is where a CRB, (it's actually a DBS check now) may come in hand, and maybe references as well?

 

 

 

In the real world people don't always go out with a single intention, they do often change their minds.

 

 

 

This will do nothing at all to stop a rapist, let me repeat absolutely nothing.

 

You can't stop a rapist because that would involve going back in time, you can cut your risk of being raped though.

 

If all else fails a short sharp punch or kick to their sensitive parts might deter them from raping you.

[Glamrocker]

I must admit these three are my favourites.

 

 

 

 

Perhaps this is where a CRB, (it's actually a DBS check now) may come in hand, and maybe references as well?

 

 

 

In the real world people don't always go out with a single intention, they do often change their minds.

 

 

 

These will do nothing at all to stop a rapist, let me repeat absolutely nothing.

The last one has nothing to do with stopping a rapist,its more to do with false accusations

It seems a shame though that people/women may have to consider a list like that before venturing out especially these days of supposedly high crime detection and repeat offender labelling it seems from cases Iv read about that are sexually orientated the system is failing.