SteelCityAle Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Can we blow this "craft beer" vessel out of the water? now? WTF does it mean? There is real ale, and beer brewed by other means. I've been a CAMRA members since the early days, and I cannot understand why they continue to disappear up their own backsides about definitions. "Craft beer" is a con term. Like, err..."patient choice"; " customer care"..... ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 12:43 ---------- This is all smoke and mirrors. Keg is keg is (dead) keg. This is a reprise of the 1970s - " A Double Diamond Works Wonders" etc nope. in many cases the beer that goes in a keg is EXACTLY the same as goes in a cask. in fact it's often more natural cos it's not laced with fishguts. yes there's a load of dross sold in kegs, but putting crap beer in a cask doesn't magically make it good, and nor does putting good beer in a keg make it bad. Some beers work better on keg - as a hophead I find keg works well for me, as it enhances hop flavour and subdues the malt in case you hadn't notices, the 70s are over! I do agree with you that the term craft beer is meaningless and as I predicted has now been misappropriated by some decidedly 'uncraft' brewers. But there's good beer and bad beer, however you want to define that, and what container it happens to be stored in is only a small part of the distinction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldforester Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 nope. in many cases the beer that goes in a keg is EXACTLY the same as goes in a cask. in fact it's often more natural cos it's not laced with fishguts. yes there's a load of dross sold in kegs, but putting crap beer in a cask doesn't magically make it good, and nor does putting good beer in a keg make it bad. Some beers work better on keg - as a hophead I find keg works well for me, as it enhances hop flavour and subdues the malt in case you hadn't notices, the 70s are over! I do agree with you that the term craft beer is meaningless and as I predicted has now been misappropriated by some decidedly 'uncraft' brewers. But there's good beer and bad beer, however you want to define that, and what container it happens to be stored in is only a small part of the distinction Well, that's an interesting answer. And, yes, I had noticed that the 70s are over - with great regret in some ways (i.e., youth!) but not for DD or Youngers Tartan or Whitbread Trophy ( which always mysteriously tasted of melting snow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Actually I imagine a number of real ale drinkers will be out of town that Saturday, either at the Magna beer festival or the Dronfield CAMRA Pub of the year do at the Travellers in Apperknowle. Brewdog should still attract a crowd - Hipsters, townies and craft beer fanboys. Actually re Boldforesters comments, maybe correct but the better craft keg beers are basically real ale but cold and fizzy. There is a certain degree of whether cask or keg, if its rubbish beer that goes in rubbish beer will come out regardless of dispense method... In the old days keg beer was about cutting costs and dumbing beer down, not as simple now - for example John Smiths Smooth and Brewdog Punk IPA both come out of kegs but are of very different styles and standards... I do find that cask versions that has had proper secondary fermentation and served with good conditioning is always more flavoursome than keg versions of the same beer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No User Name Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Do they sell anything "normal" on draught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Do they sell anything "normal" on draught? No, they will dismiss that as bland, industrial rubbish that they are on a mission to rid the world of..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityAle Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 that i think sums up the aversity to keg for me - many still associate it with DD or Watneys and take that to mean keg is crap. In truth it's simply a case of crap in = crap out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldforester Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Actually I imagine a number of real ale drinkers will be out of town that Saturday, either at the Magna beer festival or the Dronfield CAMRA Pub of the year do at the Travellers in Apperknowle. Brewdog should still attract a crowd - Hipsters, townies and craft beer fanboys. Actually re Boldforesters comments, maybe correct but the better craft keg beers are basically real ale but cold and fizzy. There is a certain degree of whether cask or keg, if its rubbish beer that goes in rubbish beer will come out regardless of dispense method... In the old days keg beer was about cutting costs and dumbing beer down, not as simple now - for example John Smiths Smooth and Brewdog Punk IPA both come out of kegs but are of very different styles and standards... I do find that cask versions that has had proper secondary fermentation and served with good conditioning is always more flavoursome than keg versions of the same beer though. "Basically real ale but cold and fizzy"? Andy, you have surpassed yourself in spin. Are you standing for election as a Lib Dem?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityAle Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 let's not forget that keykeg is (or can be) real ale - the gas does not contact the beer at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldforester Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 "Basically real ale but cold and fizzy"? Andy, you have surpassed yourself in spin. Are you standing for election as a Lib Dem?! And as for "craft beer fanboys" (did I read that correctly or should there have been a "ny" addition?) This is Sheffield, not Notting Bleeding Hill. What next... Hugh Grant as the persecuted keg landlord? ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 13:41 ---------- let's not forget that keykeg is (or can be) real ale - the gas does not contact the beer at all.... Is or can be? WTF does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCityAle Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 And as for "craft beer fanboys" (did I read that correctly or should there have been a "ny" addition?) This is Sheffield, not Notting Bleeding Hill. What next... Hugh Grant as the persecuted keg landlord? ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 13:41 ---------- Is or can be? WTF does that mean? What goes into a kegkeg IS real ale. What comes out is still real ale unless gas is added to the beer on dispense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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