Iran's New President

[melthebell]

Does this mean an end to the rubbish "I'm in a Dinner Jacket" puns that were given to the last leader?

 

damn

 

lol

[Harleyman]

I blame the CIA for that.

LINK (Telegraph, June 05, 2009)

 

 

Why do they hate us in Iran. Oh.... it must be our freedoms they hate.

 

Destabilizing their democratically elected government to install the Shah as a U.S. puppet? Why would that annoy them?

 

Then along came the Ayatollah (Khomeini) who for years prior had lived in France as an exile. He was anti-western and followed a course of extreme Islamic conservatism. When he and his fellow conservative clerics took over that's when Iran became a non-secular Islamic dictatorship and it marked the time when Islamic extremism started to spread across the middle east.

 

The Iranian people dont hate us. A brainwashed mob yelling "death to America" only serves as a propaganda organ for the conservative clerics but as a representation of the the Iranian people as a whole... it's nothing.

 

As for destabilizing an elected government that was basically because British oil interests in the region were being threatened with nationalisation by the government at that time. Was it therefore a case of the CIA doing Britain's dirty work for it?

 

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The joke is that America is now going to arm the same people that commited 9/11, read Chris sleeps link.

 

The European Union had already approved the shipment of arms to the rebels so even if the US had decided not to provide weapons the end result could be the same anyway.

[LeMaquis]

As for destabilizing an elected government that was basically because British oil interests in the region were being threatened with nationalisation by the government at that time.

 

That's alright then.

[Harleyman]

That's alright then.

 

 

Is it? That depends on how you look at it. Oil companies who for years have invested heavily in the technology and know how to bring that oil to the surface and build pipelines to carry it across a few thusand miles of desert to refineries suddenly wake up one morning and find that all that investment amounted to nothing since the government decided to kick them out and run the operation themselves. Worse still they will receive little or no compensation for the loss and that's where the real trouble begins.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Let's just see what he will do.

Yes, let's.

For instance, Iran might recognise Israel's right to exist.

Or maybe not.

[LeMaquis]

Is it? That depends on how you look at it. Oil companies who for years have invested heavily in the technology and know how to bring that oil to the surface and build pipelines to carry it across a few thusand miles of desert to refineries suddenly wake up one morning and find that all that investment amounted to nothing since the government decided to kick them out and run the operation themselves. Worse still they will receive little or no compensation for the loss and that's where the real trouble begins.

 

Yes it does depend on how you look on it. Here's CBS News' look at it, detailing how British imperialism bribed absolute monarchs in Iran to let them have the oil and then get the Yanks in when the Iranians decided later on they'd rather have it for themselves. The Yanks and British brought an end to Iranian democracy because they preferred to look at the profits instead, as well as all that investment of course.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-6633235.html

[janie48]

Let's just see what he will do.

I don't think we have much choice really.

[Harleyman]

Yes it does depend on how you look on it. Here's CBS News' look at it, detailing how British imperialism bribed absolute monarchs in Iran to let them have the oil and then get the Yanks in when the Iranians decided later on they'd rather have it for themselves. The Yanks and British brought an end to Iranian democracy because they preferred to look at the profits instead, as well as all that investment of course.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-6633235.html

 

Having endless supplies of oil is okay just as long as you have someone to sell it to. If there was no one to buy it or no one to drill it, pipe it and refine it then it's just a mass of dynosaur glop buried in tons of sand. It was western technology and know how that did it. If a government is elected and decides that it should own the oil companies and pocket all the profits for itself then it must buy the equipment and pay compensation to the foreign or privately owned domestic companies first of all. That's what's called fair business practices. Left to it's own devices Iran would have been earning it's principal revenue exporting exotic hand woven carpets for decades afterwards instead

 

That so called "democracy" you keep mentioning was anything but. Mossadeg was a communist and would have with the USSR's willing assistance pulled Iran into the Communist bloc sooner or later.

[Jason Bourne]

That so called "democracy" you keep mentioning was anything but. Mossadeg was a communist and would have with the USSR's willing assistance pulled Iran into the Communist bloc.

 

I think you're confusing Socialism with Communism

[Harleyman]

I don't think we have much choice really.

 

He'll do what the conservative clerics tell him to do unfortunately. I dont see any change coming there anytime soon until the ordinary Iranians decide to take matters into their own hands. That might not be very easily achieved either as the clerics are backed by the Revolutionary Guard