chem1st Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 The system actively discriminates against poor White children. There is some help for the poorest based on income. There is also help for the poorest based upon ethnicity. (White children outperform ethinc minorities generally, although there are some minorities which consistently out perform White people). So you have help targetted to poorest based on income. And help targetted towards people based upon ethnicity. A poor ethnic minority kid therefore gets more help than a poor White kid. Because both get a bit of help due to income. But the ethnic minority gets extra help for being an ethnic minority too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 It's not misinformation at all. Many poor families see all debt as bad. Many young people have seen the damage debt causes in their own homes. To others it's such a lot of money they just can't comprehend starting life off owing so much. Yes, but the debt associated with university is different, as I stated above. By not addressing this and just perpetuating the myths, you are misinforming these poorer people, and doing your bit to keep them at the bottom of the pile. Why not explain to them how the student loan works, and help them to aspire to greater things if they wish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms Macbeth Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The system actively discriminates against poor White children. There is some help for the poorest based on income. There is also help for the poorest based upon ethnicity. (White children outperform ethinc minorities generally, although there are some minorities which consistently out perform White people). So you have help targetted to poorest based on income. And help targetted towards people based upon ethnicity. A poor ethnic minority kid therefore gets more help than a poor White kid. Because both get a bit of help due to income. But the ethnic minority gets extra help for being an ethnic minority too. Surely that's only the case if English isn't their first language? Most BME (Black & Minority Ethnic) children in the UK were born here so what extra help would they be entitled to based purely on ethnicity? Children's home environment; their parents' attitudes to education; their peers; IMO these are factors that impact on their learning just as much as formal teaching. If pre-school children aren't read to/given books, then reading will be a completely new concept when they eventually start school. Same applies with non-academic stuff like eating at a table and using cutlery; using the loo unaided; getting dressed/undressed. If they haven't been taught from a young age, then they are at a disadvantage at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The system actively discriminates against poor White children. A poor ethnic minority kid therefore gets more help than a poor White kid. Because both get a bit of help due to income. But the ethnic minority gets extra help for being an ethnic minority too. Can you give some examples of this system? In what respects do poor ethnic minority kids get help that poor white kids don't? Otherwise I will presume you're talking crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 If every kid in the UK scored A+ for all their grades would there be full employment? I doubt it. In fact, some of the more colourful members of these forums don't want people to do well, they'd sooner push, or rather bully, people into exploitive trade apprentices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 A poor ethnic minority kid therefore gets more help than a poor White kid. Because both get a bit of help due to income. But the ethnic minority gets extra help for being an ethnic minority too. Really? Where do I apply?! ---------- Post added 19-06-2013 at 09:55 ---------- Surely that's only the case if English isn't their first language? ..and if that is the case they're starting at a disadvantage compared to British kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 It's all down to the parents. Chavs just don't care, they never have and they never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mary70 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I also think its down to parenting, if a child doesn't have a stable home life with parents that will encourage their child then the child will never achieve. Also children that come from homes where parents have never worked are less likely to achieve due to bad role models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie n ear Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 It's all down to the parents. Chavs just don't care, they never have and they never will. That may or may not be true but it's interesting that this country seems intent on finding or creating an underclass to despise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Just because you're poor doesn't mean your parents don't care, but there is a rising number of layabout parents that jacked about at school and got no-where in life and just don't care about their own kids education or future. There's even some stories of them actively discouraging hardwork to get the kids to follow their path of lazy scummyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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