Edward Snowden; Hero or villain?

[Halibut]

I have researched - endlessly, unlike you...

Who simply spout the response you have been programmed to give, and you don't even know it?

 

Read again.....

***The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the Individuals and Organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us.

Most people react with disbelief and scepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned (brainwashed) to react with scepticism by institutional and media influences....

Most people have built in "slides" that SHORT CIRCUIT THE MIND'S CRITICAL EXAMINATION PROCESS when it comes to certain sensitive topics.

"Slides" is a ''CIA term for a 'conditioned' type of response which 'dead ends' a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand.''

For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people.

What most people believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioural response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the New World Order's ''PLANNED PROGRAMMES.'' A strong showing in the polls tells them that the programming is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved.**

 

Do you actually think they care about exposure? Because of their wealth and power they are immune... Even when someone like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning actually produce factual evidence, which cannot be spun or denied, it won't stop them, because then they embark on a campaign to discredit the Whistle blowers and have them incarcerated and tortured for telling the truth. And the sickening thing is that there will always be those who gleefully support and follow where their Master's lead, without ever engaging one brain cell.

I never cease to be amazed by how stupid some people are.

Is there any wonder they are referred to as Sheeple?

 

So, in short, you haven't any evidence at all. Thanks for clarifying that.

[dosxuk]

And the sickening thing is that there will always be those who gleefully support and follow where their Master's lead, without ever engaging one brain cell.

I never cease to be amazed by how stupid some people are.

Is there any wonder they are referred to as Sheeple?

 

And how come it's nearly always the, let's say, intellectually challenged, who seem to identify all these conspiracies? How come they never seem to gain support by anyone with a clue on the actual subject? How come the claims never stand up to scrutiny? How come all the proponents leap to the claims of 'sheeple' or 'shill' whenever someone questions their claims?

 

You have no evidence for the existence of the NWO, Edward Snowden has not revealed any evidence supporting their existence, and nobody is offering any evidence that the NWO are colluding to keep him quiet (which they have to do, but are happy to leave a load of youtubers and conspiracy loons to keep on 'revealing' their secrets? Really?). I.e. you have no evidence to back up your claims, and they're completely off topic for this thread.

 

I do wonder what has made you so angry with the world that you're desperately trying to see conspiracy behind every event, even when the vast majority of them can be assigned to ****-up.

[syne]

although not proof as such, the bilderberg meetings would certainly fit the profile of nwo conspiracies.

what exactly do these people have in common?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants

 

answers on the back of a £5 note please.

 

my 2p= power + money. I don't see a none rich none powerful or none influential name among them, do you?

 

edit from wiki

 

In 2001, Denis Healey, a Bilderberg group founder and, for 30 years, a steering committee member, said: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."[38] In 2005 Davignon discussed these accusations with the BBC: "It is unavoidable and it doesn't matter. There will always be people who believe in conspiracies but things happen in a much more incoherent fashion... When people say this is a secret government of the world I say that if we were a secret government of the world we should be bloody ashamed of ourselves."

[dosxuk]

although not proof as such, the bilderberg meetings would certainly fit the profile of nwo conspiracies.

 

A group of businessmen meeting politicians does not a NWO make.

[syne]

it kinda does, just not in the tom clancy sense of things.

[tinfoilhat]

And how come it's nearly always the, let's say, intellectually challenged, who seem to identify all these conspiracies? How come they never seem to gain support by anyone with a clue on the actual subject? How come the claims never stand up to scrutiny? How come all the proponents leap to the claims of 'sheeple' or 'shill' whenever someone questions their claims?

 

You have no evidence for the existence of the NWO, Edward Snowden has not revealed any evidence supporting their existence, and nobody is offering any evidence that the NWO are colluding to keep him quiet (which they have to do, but are happy to leave a load of youtubers and conspiracy loons to keep on 'revealing' their secrets? Really?). I.e. you have no evidence to back up your claims, and they're completely off topic for this thread.

 

I do wonder what has made you so angry with the world that you're desperately trying to see conspiracy behind every event, even when the vast majority of them can be assigned to ****-up.

 

Top post that.

[catpus]

 

>>And how come it's nearly always the, let's say, ''intellectually challenged'', who seem to identify all these conspiracies?<<

 

Oh dear you really don't read very much do you?

... you could begin with Professor Carole Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. John Pilger's The Invisible Government to name just two.

 

This NWO group has been around many hundreds of years, and their influence and power stretches far. Far enough to determine the course of the worlds highest powers, to benefit the group and their ideals.

Rather than hiding in shadows, they hide in light so to speak. while people are off searching the far hidden corners of human society in search of this unknown group, they sit in plain sight.

However, despite being in plain sight, they remain frustratingly out of reach, untouchable...

 

Their ultimate goal, is - "A One World Government and ONE UNIT MONETARY SYSTEM, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchs who SELF SELECT FROM AMONG THEIR NUMBERS in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages.

In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until the only people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population."

According to predictions, their plan will be implemented in full by 2050.

5.5 billion will be killed for their plan of "a total population of 1 billion." (The majority will be disposed of in Wars)

These remaining people MUST HAVE SKILLS DEEMED WORTHY by the ruling leaders, the supreme over lords that will run the planet after they take over.

 

The NWO's power has no boundaries. It is clear that they have members in power all across the world. They have been plotting for many years, they have arranged many executions and killed millions.

 

Study History and all will be revealed.......

 

Begin with what you know already then investigate deeper...

President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbour by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case. There had been no mine.

Hitler used this principle of lying to his own people to initiate an invasion. He told the people of Germany that Poland had attacked first and staged fake attacks against German targets. The Germans, convinced they were being threatened, followed Hitler into Poland and into World War 2.

FDR claimed Pearl Harbour was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to send Americans off to fight in Vietnam. There were no torpedoes in the water in the Gulf. LBJ took advantage of an inexperienced sonar man's report to goad Congress into escalating the Vietnam War.

It is inescapable historical reality that leaders of nations will lie to their people to trick them into wars they otherwise would have refused. It is not "conspiracy theory" to suggest that leaders of nations lie to trick their people into wars. It is undeniable fact.

This brings us to the present troubles.

Did the government of the United States lie to the American people, more to the point, did President Bush and his Neocon associates lie to Congress, to initiate a war of conquest in Iraq?

This question has been given currency by a memo leaked from inside the British Government which clearly indicates a decision to go to war followed by the "fixing" of information around that policy. This is, as they say, a smoking gun.

But the fact is that long before this memo surfaced, it had become obvious that the US Government, aided by that of Great Britain, was lying to create the public support for a war in Iraq.

First we had Tony Blair's "Dodgy Dossier," a document released by the Prime Minister that made many of the claims used to support the push for war. The dossier soon collapsed when it was revealed that much of it had been plagiarized from a student thesis paper that was 12 years old!

The contents of the dossier, however much they seemed to create a good case for invasion, were obsolete and outdated. Yet the 'war' still went ahead.

This use of material that could not possibly be relevant at the time, is clear proof of a deliberate attempt to deceive.

Then there was the claim about the "Mobile biological weapons laboratories". Proffered in the absence of any real laboratories in the wake of the invasion, photos of these trailers were shown on all the US and UK Mainstream Media, with the claim they while seeming to lack anything suggesting biological processing, these were part of a much larger assembly of 'multiple trailers' that churned out biological weapons of mass destruction.

 

All of this propaganda widely known and accepted now to be lies - for what purpose?

Come on think about it, after all you have the superior intellect?

[dosxuk]

All of this propaganda widely known and accepted now to be lies - for what purpose?

Come on think about it, after all you have the superior intellect?

 

I might consider your question worth replying to when you learn to read the mods instructions and actually format your posts so we can see what you're writing, what's quotes by others on here and what's being copied and pasted.

 

Until then, as it's virtually impossible to see what's your opinion / interpretation and not just ripped off some conspiracy loon's website, I shall consider your posts pointless.

[Electerrific]

The US Govt has expressed it's disappointment over Putin's decision to allow whistleblower Snowden to stay in Russia after spending a luxury month in a Moscow airport!

 

Ooops, so now- like when the Americans got grumpy with us over anything and refused to act over Noraid (US-based IRA) fundraisers- expect Uncle Sam to stamp his mardy feet in the playground and 'retaliate' shortly...

[Mecky]

and how do you think the Russians feel about all their people who defect to the West?