Staunton Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 So cosmetic procedures purely for vanity should be funded by the NHS? Tattoo removal? etc.etc any procedure? Society is complex, and there will always be terse themes to negotiate and marginal issues to resolve. But let us not be distracted from the fundamental principle at stake here. The NHS is being dismantled and turned into a business. The people of the UK funded the institution and pay for its running. It is our NHS and we must not allow it to be delivered into private hands, we must resist the introducton of charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe expectant parents in Barrow would have rather paid for a decent hospital maternity service than their babies die only for the health service and government to cover it up to avoid a political scandal ahead of an election. Maybe infant mortality will increase tenfold as parents will not be able to afford decent healthcare. You are very naive, SevenRivers. Do you think for one single minute that the Barrow scandal, or indeed any of the several others recently, would have ever been 'outted' unless it fitted the government's agenda for carving up the NHS for their associates? If you think Barrow is bad, wait until people are having to go to worse performing hospitals and medical centres as that is all they can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe infant mortality will increase tenfold as parents will not be able to afford decent healthcare. You are very naive, SevenRivers. Do you think for one single minute that the Barrow scandal, or indeed any of the several others recently, would have ever been 'outted' unless it fitted the government's agenda for carving up the NHS for their associates? If you think Barrow is bad, wait until people are having to go to worse performing hospitals and medical centres as that is all they can afford. Fair comment, but people have go to poor performing hospitals now - mid staffs was a hell hole, north staffs isn't much better. If you want it to improve be prepared to pay more in taxes (because we all know the corps aren't going to kick in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 and when the government privatises the rest of the NHS, health insurance prices will go the same way as car insurance - skywards. ... That could well happen - but it doesn't have to be the case. If you had a government which was prepared to govern and to make people do what they were told, you could have an efficient partially-privatised healthcare system which didn't cost an arm and a leg - figuratively or literally. Hospitals here tend to be privately run. They are, however, 'not for profit' and the prices they can charge are set by law. I gather that the NHS is short of money. No health system anywhere can provide everything for everybody, but from the article quoted earlier, the NHS is going to have to stop offering certain procedures and services. If the government privatises parts of the NHS, that would produce some ready cash - but it also builds up future debt. If the government doesn't privatise the NHS and instead chooses to fix it by applying additional cash (which would enable it to be operated in exactly the same manner as it's operated now) then you are all going to have to pay considerably more in taxes. Everybody will have to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staunton Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Fair comment, but people have go to poor performing hospitals now - mid staffs was a hell hole, north staffs isn't much better. If you want it to improve be prepared to pay more in taxes (because we all know the corps aren't going to kick in) Sadly there is no prospect of improvement. Qualified staff are already under pressure across the NHS. They are in the process of preparation for transfer to employment by the private sector operators that are taking over. Their terms and conditions are being eroded, unskilled and unqualified staff are replacing experienced, trained personnel, workloads are increasing, and the work is becoming unachievable - because big business wants profits. Big business does not want to provide services - hence their pressure for deregulation - they don't want to be held accountable, they just want a conduit to channel taxpayers money into their own pockets. It really is as cynical as that. Our NHS is being eroded in many ways, both overt and hidden, and we, the taxpayers, are being exploited by the corporate sector and their friends the politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedith Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The NHS has never been free, it is paid for by National Insurance contributions and taxes as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staunton Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 The NHS has never been free, it is paid for by National Insurance contributions and taxes as far as I'm aware. Indeed. The NHS is a public sector institution, fully funded by the UK taxpayer. That is why it is such a target - the multinationals are just itching to divert the taxes we pay into their private coffers. They are not interested in providing services, their sole motivation is profit. This is not a controvertial claim, the multinationals themselves say so when they are challenged about their tax arrangements, claiming it is their fundamental duty in law to enhance profit. The stark irony is that our tax-funded institutions are being targeted by the tax-avoiding multinationals. Our NHS is going to disappear very quickly, and there are going to be a few more billionaires sunning themselves on their yaghts off Mauritius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Illegal tax dodging. = Tax evasion. Legal (though often immoral) tax dodging = Tax avoidance. Do you really expect us to believe that HMRC and DPP ignore crime costing at least £25 billion per year? Please produce some evidence to support your claim. Apologies....the figure is £17billion, not £25billion http://blogs.thisismoney.co.uk/2010/08/benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-white-collar-vs-tracksuit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Shoes Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I havent been in hospital since i was 15 & I would still wouldnt mind paying an extra £20 a month if to get private care or no waiting lists. There are 2 types of hospitals in Australia. Public & Private. The public ones are nice but the Private ones are amazing. You get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staunton Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 I havent been in hospital since i was 15 & I would still wouldnt mind paying an extra £20 a month if to get private care or no waiting lists. There are 2 types of hospitals in Australia. Public & Private. The public ones are nice but the Private ones are amazing. You get what you pay for. There is a systematic project here in the UK to drive down wages, reduce staffing levels (which means increased unemployment), to use the minimum wage as a standard for salary policy, to deny access to higher education. Ordinary people are being pushed into poverty, and poor people cannot afford to pay for healthcare. Unless we defend our NHS and reverse the policies of privatisation and charges most of us shall be without basic healthcare here in the Uk, the home of the most famous health system in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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