Daid Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Of course it (my post) is a non argument, did you not read it properly?... Of course I read it properly. I was referring to this little snippet though. 'I'd be interested to see how many of these people would refuse a transplant if they needed it though, or if a loved one did'. ---------- Post added 04-07-2013 at 09:19 ---------- We all have the right to opt out, I have no argument with that. But I would argue that anyone who doesn't wish to give, shouldn't wish to receive. I will argue that you're wrong on the grounds that being given the chance to live might even have a positive affect on their way of thinking and lead them to change their point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Of course I read it properly. I was referring to this little snippet though. 'I'd be interested to see how many of these people would refuse a transplant if they needed it though, or if a loved one did'. What makes you think that was supposed to be an argument? I neither presented it as or intended it to be an argument ---------- Post added 04-07-2013 at 09:55 ---------- Of course the number of donerschas gone up. Everyone in Wales is a doner. None of them have decided to opt out? Blimey! Good on you, people of Wales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paramedic Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Of course I read it properly. I was referring to this little snippet though. 'I'd be interested to see how many of these people would refuse a transplant if they needed it though, or if a loved one did'. ---------- Post added 04-07-2013 at 09:19 ---------- I will argue that you're wrong on the grounds that being given the chance to live might even have a positive affect on their way of thinking and lead them to change their point of view. Exactly Daid. These pro opt outers would loose a hell of a lot of organs if anyone who had opted out was refused an organ. That person would die and so would their organs. And probably strengthening their resolve to opt out ---------- Post added 04-07-2013 at 10:00 ---------- What makes you think that was supposed to be an argument? I neither presented it as or intended it to be an argument ---------- Post added 04-07-2013 at 09:55 ---------- None of them have decided to opt out? Blimey! Good on you, people of Wales There's no process set up to opt out yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 There's no process set up to opt out yet There's also no process in place for the automatic "deemed consent", so you were wrong to begin with, when you said this... Of course the number of donerschas gone up. Everyone in Wales is a doner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenoside123 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Absolutely. You can either take your organs six feet under with you for the worms to eat or you could give someone else the gift of life. It's completely selfish to deny someone else their life when your time is up IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Seriously, if people feel that strongly about this so called state ownership of their body, they will opt out as fast as. If there is state ownership of the body who's responsible for the funeral cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daid Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Absolutely. You can either take your organs six feet under with you for the worms to eat or you could give someone else the gift of life. It's completely selfish to deny someone else their life when your time is up IMO. I give in with the other guy so i'll ask you the same thing Why is it selfish. What makes it so wrong in your eyes for someone to wish that nothing is removed from their body when they die? Also Why should they be denied the chance to live by accepting a donor organ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 If there is state ownership of the body who's responsible for the funeral cost. There won't be any "state ownership". It's just something that some of the people against deemed consent have invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvp82 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Seriously, if people feel that strongly about this so called state ownership of their body, they will opt out as fast as. And if people feel that strongly about donating organs they will opt in as fast as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 There won't be any "state ownership". It's just something that some of the people against deemed consent have invented. So state theft then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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