SevenRivers Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 The drugs advisory council also consider social issues. The government are following a non evidence based policy. You don't know they're following a non evidence based policy. That might be an assumption based on another assumption that the advice of the advisory board is their only source for decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 So once again for the hard of thinking. It is illegal in the rest of the civilised world. Do you people understand that? It was not illegal here. It has a very limited shelf life. So for the entire civilised worlds supply it was flown into the uk by BA, then mixed up with legitimate cargo by somalian gangsters located in our homeland and smuggled to the rest of the civilised world from here. Can any of you people give me a good reason why this was a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psynuk Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 So once again for the hard of thinking. It is illegal in the rest of the civilised world. mmkkk, your point is? Do you people understand that? rodger. It was not illegal here. MMkkk again It has a very limited shelf life. yep its like avegtable or a fruit or whatever, So for the entire civilised worlds supply it was flown into the uk by BA, then mixed up with legitimate cargo by somalian gangsters(you sure it was gangsters and not khat growers?) located in our homeland and smuggled to the rest of the civilised world from here. okay..still not sure of your point Can any of you people give me a good reason why this was a good idea? because they weren't paying taxes...and now they will, oh wait, thats starbucks gangsters... err cos the governments advisory panel said its not worth banning. so we didn't oh wait up again we did.. If we could smuggle it out of the uk to places it was banned from how are we expected to stop it coming into the uk cos we've banned it.. Seriously for the hard of thinking.. WE BAN LOTS OF DRUGS, WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. got that. we could at least have monitored and regulated and studied not to mention taxed it We could have made it a social faux pas to spit it out like drunk driving has become. Nah we'll just ban it then spend millions of pounds locking up people who choose to chew khat.. its like groundhog day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 because they weren't paying taxes...and now they will, oh wait, thats starbucks gangsters... err cos the governments advisory panel said its not worth banning. so we didn't oh wait up again we did.. If we could smuggle it out of the uk to places it was banned from how are we expected to stop it coming into the uk cos we've banned it.. Seriously for the hard of thinking.. WE BAN LOTS OF DRUGS, WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. got that. we could at least have monitored and regulated and studied not to mention taxed it We could have made it a social faux pas to spit it out like drunk driving has become. Nah we'll just ban it then spend millions of pounds locking up people who choose to chew khat.. its like groundhog day. So khat, which is illegal in a lot of other countries isn't already being run organised criminal gangs because its legal here. Have I got that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psynuk Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 You don't know they're following a non evidence based policy. That might be an assumption based on another assumption that the advice of the advisory board is their only source for decision making. oh they're follwing evidence thats for sure the quality and sensibillity of the evidence they choose to follow is the problem. As an aside, Cannabis, used for 1000's years, safe, no known deaths blah blah blah In more rcent years cannabis and more specifcally 'skunk'(its not skunk but thats a diff subject) has been held responsible for 'growing psychosis' issues and what not, more blah. There has been a trend over recent years for growers who sell, to produce skunk which is a strongish form of cannabis and that is now the most common form available, not the only but the most common. Which is by no means the most suitable type of cannabis to be taking on a regular basis for all people. however its not like the average guy has a wide variety of strengths and types of cannabis to choose from. which goes against the evidence and also against simple logical reasoning. When you ban something you remove all control you might or might not have had. You also remove a lot of the saftey nets that consumer choice creates by simply showing a prefrence. I'll not go into the spraying of sand onto plants.. molten throat anyone There's a reason people drink more tea than beer and they drink more vodka than absenthe. So there's evidence and then theres what you want to hear to support your decisions. ---------- Post added 05-07-2013 at 00:27 ---------- So khat, which is illegal in a lot of other countries isn't already being run organised criminal gangs because its legal here. Have I got that right? and thats the bit you chose to question.... Well they wern't criminal gangs in that respect untill they were iyswim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 So khat, which is illegal in a lot of other countries isn't already being run organised criminal gangs because its legal here. Have I got that right? Importers of Khat to the UK weren't criminals, it was legitimate, and there was no need for gangs. Now of course anyone who tries to import it will be a criminal, and so then you can call them a gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Importers of Khat to the UK weren't criminals, it was legitimate, and there was no need for gangs. Now of course anyone who tries to import it will be a criminal, and so then you can call them a gang. But if those people are then moving it to say the Netherlands that would be illegal. Maybe I've got it wrong and khat production is a harmless cottage industry in the uk and its only when it crosses borders it moves to criminal gangs, who have no connection to the uk khat importers. That would make it a far different business model to say, cannabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I'll not be signing. I'm no fan of this government but May has called this right. There are plenty in the Somali community that agree too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 But if those people are then moving it to say the Netherlands that would be illegal. Maybe I've got it wrong and khat production is a harmless cottage industry in the uk and its only when it crosses borders it moves to criminal gangs, who have no connection to the uk khat importers. That would make it a far different business model to say, cannabis. here its legal so the distribution and checks go like anything else imported legally, in dutchland its illegal so the only people who import it are criminal gangs once its illegal here it'll be the same, only in the hands of criminal gangs, but it won't be stopped, it'll just move underground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgksheff Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 here its legal so the distribution and checks go like anything else imported legally, in dutchland its illegal so the only people who import it are criminal gangs once its illegal here it'll be the same, only in the hands of criminal gangs, but it won't be stopped, it'll just move underground Is it not illegal to participate in the sending of a substance known to be banned in the recipients country? May I also guide people to the Home Secretary's statement on the government decision. https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/khat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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