National Hero Godfrey Bongo gongo land Bloom?

[WeX]

'Prejudice' being the key. I think it is safe to say that the UK passes the test of being superior to the areas of the world receiving our aid.

 

The Bongo phrase is crass but not racist.

 

Agreed, he made a stupid comment, but its not a racist one.

 

The problem is some people do not understand the meaning, personally I think that in the age of information, ignorance is a choice to these people who do not have the intelligence to formulate a cogent argument.

 

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As my link says,you can be racist to countries,nationalities and groups of people as well as races.I,m not trying to change anybodies way of thinking,if the guy wants to be a racist,a bigot or crass,it's up to him,he's the one that's up for election.

 

yes you can, but singularly not collectively, which is the reasoning why Bong Bongo Land is ignorant but not racist.

[Zamo]

As my link says,you can be racist to countries,nationalities and groups of people as well as races.I,m not trying to change anybodies way of thinking,if the guy wants to be a racist,a bigot or crass,it's up to him,he's the one that's up for election.

 

By that standard any negative assessment of a foreign country or group of people is racist... and that is just silly.

[flamingjimmy]

By that standard any negative assessment of a foreign country or group of people is racist... and that is just silly.

 

He didn't make a 'negative assessment of a foreign country' he made a stupid generalisation about lots of foreign countries.

 

I'm terribly sorry but this next bit is lifted from the Guardian's comment section, I fully agree though:

 

"bongo bongo land" is not a made-up country in the sense that he just made it up...

 

[it] is, as anybody knows, a derogatory reference to the former colonies of the UK...

 

...It is, therefore, racist: it conflates countries and races whose distinctions he believes needn't be respected because they are not important. The words themselves are intended to underline the savagery and otherness of these nations. Overall, it's an attempt to portray most of a continent (and if you refer to his original speech, Pakistan as well) as an undifferentiated mass of uncivilised people who have just enough sophistication to rip us off by spending our money on sunglasses, but otherwise are happy with their drums."

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/07/bigots-ukip-godfrey-bloom-bongo-bongo

[Peer Gynt]

I think it probably is an offensive term; and the fact that no-one can pin-point where bongo bongo land is, is part of the problem. It's like saying the nations to which we give aid, are not worthy of us referring to them by their proper names. No, we'll just use a derogatory, reductionist term ('bongo bongo') and that'll be good enough for them...

 

The list would be too long.

 

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He didn't make a 'negative assessment of a foreign country' he made a stupid generalisation about lots of foreign countries.

 

I'm terribly sorry but this next bit is lifted from the Guardian's comment section, I fully agree though:

 

"bongo bongo land" is not a made-up country in the sense that he just made it up...

 

[it] is, as anybody knows, a derogatory reference to the former colonies of the UK...

 

...It is, therefore, racist: it conflates countries and races whose distinctions he believes needn't be respected because they are not important. The words themselves are intended to underline the savagery and otherness of these nations. Overall, it's an attempt to portray most of a continent (and if you refer to his original speech, Pakistan as well) as an undifferentiated mass of uncivilised people who have just enough sophistication to rip us off by spending our money on sunglasses, but otherwise are happy with their drums."

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/07/bigots-ukip-godfrey-bloom-bongo-bongo

 

What a load of bunkum:rolleyes:.

 

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As my link says,you can be racist to countries,nationalities and groups of people as well as races.I,m not trying to change anybodies way of thinking,if the guy wants to be a racist,a bigot or crass,it's up to him,he's the one that's up for election.

 

Strange isn't it that most of the people texting the BBC agreed with sensible truth speaking Godfrey Bloom

[Michael_W]

Just about every work colleague I have bumped into since yesterday has commented on this term that Bloom used and agreed with his sentiments, forget about the 'do-gooder, pc, left wing socialist' opinion that he was being racist ..... they don't care ..... they don't read the bloody Guardian, they buy the Sun and The Star, they are working class white males and if they decide one day to turn out to vote, I dare say many of them might vote for UKIP

[Peer Gynt]

An exaggerated statement! but not a situation to ignore.

Though if UKIP ever got in power there wouldn't be much of a change there, since they appear to want to see a massive increase in the defence budget, but that's most probably because they are visualising an enemy invasion.

 

We've already got an enemy invasion.

 

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Just about every work colleague I have bumped into since yesterday has commented on this term that Bloom used and agreed with his sentiments, forget about the 'do-gooder, pc, left wing socialist' opinion that he was being racist ..... they don't care ..... they don't read the bloody Guardian, they buy the Sun and The Star, they are working class white males and if they decide one day to turn out to vote, I dare say many of them might vote for UKIP

 

And that is what is hurting some people (noisy minority), I've not spoken to one person who didn't agree with Godfrey Bloom.

 

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Bongo bongo isn't a race though is it? It is a crass term to describe places that are somewhat backward in terms of development.

 

Not backwards when it comes to getting our Aid and milking most of it away.

 

Our governments have been guilty for God knows how long of misspending our money via overseas aid and not checking on its distribution.

Next year the same wells will be needed that our pensioners and sick have paid for this year.

[boyfriday]

Just about every work colleague I have bumped into since yesterday has commented on this term that Bloom used and agreed with his sentiments, forget about the 'do-gooder, pc, left wing socialist' opinion that he was being racist ..... they don't care ..... they don't read the bloody Guardian, they buy the Sun and The Star, they are working class white males and if they decide one day to turn out to vote, I dare say many of them might vote for UKIP

 

And that is what is hurting some people (noisy minority), I've not spoken to one person who didn't agree with Godfrey Bloom.

 

Before you become too confident about the right wing revolution can you ponder that your observations are more a reflection on the company you keep?

 

The success of UKIP relies on converting many millions of newspaper readers, not just exciting the already converted.

[taxman]

And it isn't the fault or concern of our struggling pensioners or sick people who're denied care.

 

You seem very concerned about our struggling pensioners and sick people.

 

Have you any evidence that money going abroad is money that would have been used to alleviate the problems of struggling pensioners and sick people?

 

Isn't the money equally as likely to be spent on tax cuts for the rich, nuclear weapons, HS2, childcare vouchers for people earning 100k+ etc etc?

[Peer Gynt]

Before you become too confident about the right wing revolution can you ponder that your observations are more a reflection on the company you keep?

 

Once again trying to derail the topic.

This is not about a right wing revolution it's about stating what many think.

Would you be happy if a relative of yours was ill and in need of medical treatment that was being withheld on financial grounds.

Do you think our pensioners should be taxed on pensions they've worked years for.

 

All this to throw good money after bad year after year, tantamount to treason by depriving our own needy.

 

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You seem very concerned about our struggling pensioners and sick people.

 

Have you any evidence that money going abroad is money that would have been used to alleviate the problems of struggling pensioners and sick people?

 

Isn't the money equally as likely to be spent on tax cuts for the rich, nuclear weapons, HS2, childcare vouchers for people earning 100k+ etc etc?

 

What I said was that money is being thrown away on overseas aid year on year whilst people (sick and elderly) were being deprived in this country.

[boyfriday]

Once again trying to derail the topic.

My post was in direct response to a comment made by yourself.

This is not about a right wing revolution it's about stating what many think.

Would you be happy if a relative of yours was ill and in need of medical treatment that was being withheld on financial grounds.

No I wouldn't be happy, but I'm also unhappy that my tax goes to pay the income of MEP's like Griffin, Bloom, Brons etc, but that's democracy and how the cookie crumbles. I'd also be unhappy if as a rich nation we didn't support the 3rd world, but I agree with Bloom on one thing I'm unhappy that any part of it is misused by corrupt administrations.

 

Do you think our pensioners should be taxed on pensions they've worked years for.

Yes of course they should if their level of income is above the tax threshold, they received tax breaks on their contributions so it's right they are taxed on the benefits.

All this to throw good money after bad year after year, tantamount to treason by depriving our own needy.

Our own needy are not 'deprived'.