The Middle East: only Wars & Conflict ! .. ??

[daneha]

Hya Andy,

I'm sorry the link did't work...... I don't understand it. It was only there to corroborate where I got the information.

Personally I don't want it to go 'wibble' and would like to believe, although naively, that it would fizzle out if the Zionist Cabal would stop supplying mercenaries and armaments. They are obsessed with controlling and owning the world... they want us all gone. They are impervious to any objections that are raised, and play the anti Semitic and Holocaust card every time to shut people up. They have somehow been given carte blanch to bulldoze their way through Palestinian's homes and land, and displace them, and the UN did nothing! They have absolutely no conscience... but the world is becoming more and more aware, and even the actual Jews themselves are speaking out against their actions.

IMO our intervention will achieve nothing at all, except to escalate it, and involve every body in the end.

I think the only sane thing is to educate our children about the History of the world, to ensure that they have no hate for any man regardless of physical/sexual orientation, colour, race, religion or ethnicity, and to deter them from any form of aggression and war. Unless of course someone invades our land, and I don't mean a False Flag?? Enlightenment is a slow process I know, but perhaps we could eventually make a difference? I know it is a tall order, but if we all actually made an effort, to make it our absolute goal, perhaps we could make a difference for our children and grand children?

 

How do you know that a secret Zionist political clique exists and that they are supplying mercenaries and armaments?

 

And if Zionists control the world why haven't they destroyed their enemies?

[deaf andy]

How do you know that a secret Zionist political clique exists and that they are supplying mercenaries and armaments?

 

And if Zionists control the world why haven't they destroyed their enemies?

 

how do you know a zionist cabal doesn't exist? i'm not saying there is, i don't know.

but keeping us all in the dark is part of politics, right?

 

and if they do, and 'want us all gone', there's still seven billion enemies left. that's gonna take some time...

 

and who edited the chemical formula out of my post? you could have removed the last line which now makes no sense...oh, wait, this is sf. carry on.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

how do you know a zionist cabal doesn't exist? i'm not saying there is, i don't know.

Q: how would you prove such a negative, anyway?

[Harleyman]

Well blaming Jews for every evil is nothing new. Hitler became a master at it.

 

Using a scapegoat in place of what amounts to crass stupidity, total ignorance, poor judgement and complete ineptitude is very convenient for many the world over

[mafya]

yes. there's SIX listed in the post which you only read half of...

 

The post wasn't worth reading all the way through as I guessed the gist of it.

[T 42]

i hope the middle east will implode upon itself quickly and quietly, leaving the civilised world to get on with their lives.

 

I'm pretty much with you on that one. At least the country has come to its senses and decided it isn't worth wasting one British life to help these folk as they will turn on us the moment we come to their aid. How do you intervene in a conflict where both sides are the bad guys?

[Mozilla]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/middle-east-live/2013/aug/30/syria-us-military-britain-live

 

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Interviews with rebels in the Ghouta. They blame al-Qaeda for the deaths due to chemical weapons.

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

 

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

 

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

 

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

 

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1377840864.html

[catpus]

Well blaming Jews for every evil is nothing new. Hitler became a master at it.

 

Using a scapegoat in place of what amounts to crass stupidity, total ignorance, poor judgement and complete ineptitude is very convenient for many the world over

 

Who's blaming Jews? Your words no-one else's. You don't read very much do you?

 

 

ZIONISTS DO NOT REPRESENT JEWS

 

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

 

• A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

 

•The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very peoplehood is based exclusively on the Torah.

 

•The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

 

•Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

 

•Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

 

•The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize rulership from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

 

•The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honour. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.

 

•Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighbouring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

 

•Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: "And they will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

 

http://www.realnews247.com/jews_against_zionism.htm

 

Read and learn love, instead of blundering about in the dark.

[Mecky]

Who's blaming Jews? Your words no-one else's. You don't read very much do you?

 

It is immediately obvious on which side of the fence people sit. Some try to hide their motives/ideologies but they always give themselves away.

[ronthenekred]

It is immediately obvious on which side of the fence people sit. Some try to hide their motives/ideologies but they always give themselves away.

 

And some don't even attempt to hide. You're telling us nothing new, You're just explaining debate in all its glorious form.