Penistone999 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 No assumptions are made at all about the views of non-responders. . Obviously there are because even if 1% of residents vote for a permit zone and 99% dont respond , the council WILL implement the scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Obviously there are because even if 1% of residents vote for a permit zone and 99% dont respond , the council WILL implement the scheme. Can you provide some hard evidence for that assertion? The residents and local businesses don't "vote" in a consultation, they give their views to the decision makers so the can make an informed decision. The decision makers are not bound by the overall numbers for or against. Votes are only usually taken in streets or areas where there is a significant level of objection to a scheme. In those cases, majority of those who respond wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Can you provide some hard evidence for that assertion? The residents and local businesses don't "vote" in a consultation, they give their views to the decision makers so the can make an informed decision. The decision makers are not bound by the overall numbers for or against. Votes are only usually taken in streets or areas where there is a significant level of objection to a scheme. In those cases, majority of those who respond wins. Ok, so it isn't 1% but only 12% said they were in favour of the Sharrowvale scheme during the CONsultation and it WAS implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Ok, so it isn't 1% but only 12% said they were in favour of the Sharrowvale scheme during the CONsultation and it WAS implemented. You're not still going on about that after it's been explained to you several times that you don't get to count people who didn't vote as no votes. What proportion voted against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 You're not still going on about that after it's been explained to you several times that you don't get to count people who didn't vote as no votes. What proportion voted against it? Both he and Penistone constantly bleat on about democracy but don't actually understand how it works. If it weren't so pathetic it'd almost be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 You're not still going on about that after it's been explained to you several times that you don't get to count people who didn't vote as no votes. What proportion voted against it? Neither do you get to count them as Yes votes. So if you're being honest you publish the portion of people who voted yes out of the total who could vote. Not the total who voted yes out of those who voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Both he and Penistone constantly bleat on about democracy but don't actually understand how it works. If it weren't so pathetic it'd almost be funny. Thanks for yet another useful contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Neither do you get to count them as Yes votes. I've never said they should. So if you're being honest you publish the portion of people who voted yes out of the total who could vote. Not the total who voted yes out of those who voted. That would be like publishing the proportion who voted no and saying only 5%[1] of people didn't want the scheme. If you're being honest you publish the proportion who voted yes, the proportion who voted no and the proportion who didn't vote. That's why I keep asking Litotes for the proportion who voted no. [1] Or whatever percentage it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I've never said they should. That would be like publishing the proportion who voted no and saying only 5%[1] of people didn't want the scheme. If you're being honest you publish the proportion who voted yes, the proportion who voted no and the proportion who didn't vote. That's why I keep asking Litotes for the proportion who voted no. [1] Or whatever percentage it was. But the consultation didn't ask that - the consultation asked for those in favour to say so - they did and due to the wording the rest may have assumed that by not being in favour they would be regarded as being against. Hence the fact that only 12% said they were in favour means we can infer that up to 88% were against it. However, once the responses had come in, the council interpreted it in a different way when they realised the money they could squeeze out of the residents, and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 It's easy to get the results you want if you design the survey that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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