Cllr Rob Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Would you not then concede that anyone who runs a car can afford £36 per annum? It's about half a tank of gas after all. Not exactly a kings ransom when compared to the other costs of running a car. So would you base all Council charges for services on a person's ability to pay? And again, how does lowering the cost of motoring sit with your party's green credentials? Yes they probably can afford it, but that doesn't make it fair. No that would be impractical. The Green Party is about social justice as well as environmental justice. As far as the cost of motoring goes, greens believe in 'the polluter pays principle', and it is the use of cars more than their ownership that should be taxed. A residents permit is tax on ownership that takes no account of how much the vehicle is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 A residents permit is tax on ownership that takes no account of how much the vehicle is used. So you would support road user charging? Permit parking schemes are actually demand management measures which restrict the amount of commuter parking (and so should lower overall car usage) and give the local residents and businesses priority over those coming into the area. Local residents and businesses obtain priority by having a permit and they have to pay for it. Permits are of course cheaper for lower emissions vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Permits are of course cheaper for lower emissions vehicles. And that is something for the council to be proud about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 That really is a load of rubbish. If they were not interested, they wouldn't take the time and effort (and of course the not inconsiderable cost) to ask. The minimum "consultation" they need to do is just advertise the legal order in the legal notices column in a local newspaper. They don't even need to put up notices on street. The consultation they do is far above legal minimum and is in line whith what other authorites do. Consultaions are to give decision makers a flavour of local opinion, they are not a ballot. So they're not a ballot, but they do really care. Except when they get negative responses, then they don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Permits are of course cheaper for lower emissions vehicles. Don't all cars have the same emissions when parked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cllr Rob Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 So you would support road user charging? Permit parking schemes are actually demand management measures which restrict the amount of commuter parking (and so should lower overall car usage) and give the local residents and businesses priority over those coming into the area. Local residents and businesses obtain priority by having a permit and they have to pay for it. Permits are of course cheaper for lower emissions vehicles. We already have road user charging, it's called fuel tax. Most residents understand the reason for the schemes and the need to pay for a permit. The problem has come when the Council has decided to increase prices to make profits from the schemes. Thereby using residents from zone areas to subsidise the rest of the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookingfat50 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 my view is that the council should use that money to repair all the city centre roads and do the same working around the city , after that or before should have a 12 month period of no parking charges this would get more people into the city centre and free all the time for those who work in the city centre. and when we all have jet packs on our backs like they said on tomorrows world 50yrs ago still waiting for mine to come but where will we park them we live in hope x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) The problem has come when the Council has decided to increase prices to make profits from the schemes. You mean increase by the whole £1 above the price they were when the schemes first started 7 years ago? Doesn't exactly cover the rate of inflation, does it? And of course you should already know that the Council do not increase permit prices just to make a profit, that is not legal, as Barnet Council found out. Edited February 14, 2014 by Planner1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 You mean increase by the whole £1 above the price they were when the schemes first started 7 years ago? Doesn't exactly cover the rate of inflation, does it? TBH I'd just save your breath Planner. You'd have an easier time converting Al Queda to Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 You mean increase by the whole £1 above the price they were when the schemes first started 7 years ago? Doesn't exactly cover the rate of inflation, does it? I expect that he means increased from the price they were reduced to in the middle of that 7 year period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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