I1L2T3 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Again, I'd suggest you go and find out what a war crime is. If Obama authorises attacks (without proof) it's a de facto declaration of war. If the attacks have no clear military benefit, no clear civilian benefit and results in destruction of civilian infrastructure, civilian suffering, civilian displacement, civilian injuries and deaths then he is directly responsible. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 If Obama authorises attacks (without proof) it's a de facto declaration of war. If the attacks have no clear military benefit, no clear civilian benefit and results in destruction of civilian infrastructure, civilian suffering, civilian displacement, civilian injuries and deaths then he is directly responsible. No doubt about it. Well he says he's got proof, as do the French. If they haven't got proof are you happy for both sides to slaughter another 100,000 by conventional means? I'm fine with that btw. Failing that, lets say there is another chemical incident and we have absolute concrete proof of assad authorising his top man to fire it personally and take a video to put on YouTube followed by a confession he has used chemical weapons. Why would a few hundred deaths killed one way outweigh thousands in conventional warfare (and include summery be headings and other war crimes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well he says he's got proof, as do the French. If they haven't got proof are you happy for both sides to slaughter another 100,000 by conventional means? I'm fine with that btw. Failing that, lets say there is another chemical incident and we have absolute concrete proof of assad authorising his top man to fire it personally and take a video to put on YouTube followed by a confession he has used chemical weapons. Why would a few hundred deaths killed one way outweigh thousands in conventional warfare (and include summery be headings and other war crimes). There is also evidence of rebels using chemical weapons. Unfortunately it's an internal war in Syria and until the UN steps in nothing is going to stop it. If Obama steps in it will inflame the situation, potentially causing many more deaths. The best thing that the Russians and Americans can do is stop supplying weapons, and to use the UN to get peace keeping troops on the ground, no fly zones implemented etc... Obama doesn't want that it seems. He wants war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 What has Britain and America got against the Assad government ? I appreciate it is a simple question and I am not referring to the chemical weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 There is also evidence of rebels using chemical weapons. Unfortunately it's an internal war in Syria and until the UN steps in nothing is going to stop it. If Obama steps in it will inflame the situation, potentially causing many more deaths. The best thing that the Russians and Americans can do is stop supplying weapons, and to use the UN to get peace keeping troops on the ground, no fly zones implemented etc... Obama doesn't want that it seems. He wants war. What do you expect the UN to do, if they do step in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 What do you expect the UN to do, if they do step in? Peace keeping. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Peace keeping. What else? I'm not being obtuse here, I'm really not. They did a bit of that in Bosnia and it didn't really work until NATO waded in with airstrikes if memory serves. Short of parking up a few armoured personnel carriers and trying to create a few safe areas this will be hard to stop considering how well armed both sides are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 We should have flooded Syria with weapons, enough for every person in the country to have at least an assault rifle and side arm, with enough ammunition per person to kill a small town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 What has Britain and America got against the Assad government ? I appreciate it is a simple question and I am not referring to the chemical weapons. None democratic human rights abusing dictatorship... Other than that, nothing. ---------- Post added 07-09-2013 at 20:04 ---------- If Obama authorises attacks (without proof) it's a de facto declaration of war. If the attacks have no clear military benefit, no clear civilian benefit and results in destruction of civilian infrastructure, civilian suffering, civilian displacement, civilian injuries and deaths then he is directly responsible. No doubt about it. One state declaring war on another is not a war crime, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I'm not being obtuse here, I'm really not. They did a bit of that in Bosnia and it didn't really work until NATO waded in with airstrikes if memory serves. Short of parking up a few armoured personnel carriers and trying to create a few safe areas this will be hard to stop considering how well armed both sides are. It has to be attempted. The scandal is that it had rumbled on this long without any will for the UN to get involved. ---------- Post added 07-09-2013 at 20:08 ---------- None democratic human rights abusing dictatorship... Other than that, nothing. ---------- Post added 07-09-2013 at 20:04 ---------- One state declaring war on another is not a war crime, clearly. It's what happens after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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