OPEN BORDERS Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Since the introduction of the Bedroom Tax and people on welfare now being asked to contribute towards Council Tax, there must be billions owed to councils up and down the land. Most people i know on benefits allegable for bedroom tax / council tax are £10-£15 a week worse off since April. What would happen if Housing benefit / Council Tax was deducted at source as essential outgoings - eg straight from benefits ! 1, Every council up and down the land would jump for joy and have their coffers added to immediately. And therefore no need to chase people through courts and tribunals etc for monies owed. Would boost the local economy maybe ? Stop people being a burden to councils, having to chase the owed revenue. More 'available' money to spend on essential public services - less cuts. 2, Would we see poverty rear its head a lot quicker than to what level we think it is ? It would speed up the process im sure. However, people wouldnt lose homes, because essential rents / taxes would be paid, therefore lowering evictions and the knock on housing issues. Maybe see more people dependent on food banks, money lenders ? Its all a bit hyperthetical however as this would breach the Human Rights Act where people have the right to that money, and with it, spend as they wish. And being allowed to 'make a choice'. To pay, or not to pay ? Rent / Housing Benefit Council Tax etc. Should they be deducted at source ? Good idea / Bad idea ? Is it the states money anyhow, and not for the individual / family to make their choice of failing to make regular contributions / payment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Since the introduction of the Bedroom Tax and people on welfare now being asked to contribute towards Council Tax, there must be billions owed to councils up and down the land. Most people i know on benefits allegable for bedroom tax / council tax are £10-£15 a week worse off since April. What would happen if Housing benefit / Council Tax was deducted at source as essential outgoings - eg straight from benefits ! 1, Every council up and down the land would jump for joy and have their coffers added to immediately. And therefore no need to chase people through courts and tribunals etc for monies owed. Would boost the local economy maybe ? Stop people being a burden to councils, having to chase the owed revenue. More 'available' money to spend on essential public services - less cuts. 2, Would we see poverty rear its head a lot quicker than to what level we think it is ? It would speed up the process im sure. However, people wouldnt lose homes, because essential rents / taxes would be paid, therefore lowering evictions and the knock on housing issues. Maybe see more people dependent on food banks, money lenders ? Its all a bit hyperthetical however as this would breach the Human Rights Act where people have the right to that money, and with it, spend as they wish. And being allowed to 'make a choice'. To pay, or not to pay ? Rent / Housing Benefit Council Tax etc. Should they be deducted at source ? Good idea / Bad idea ? Is it the states money anyhow, and not for the individual / family to make their choice of failing to make regular contributions / payment ? all payments like this should be deducted at source just like income tax, no choice in the matter you owe it you pay it and to be honest the rest of the benefits after these deductions should be made up of food and services vouchers only redeemable at designated outlets for essentials. also whilst getting these benefits they should be expected to do community work in one way or another for at least 20 hours per week. when you earn your own money with that comes the "right" when you expect the taxpayer to fund you then you accept what is given and how its given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 You can only 'deduct' at source if the council paying the housing benefit is also the landlord. Otherwise it is a case of paying someone else. As it happens, both can happen. They have change the regulations though so the default is to pay the claimant even if the council is the landlord. The theory is it will teach the chav class to manage their budgets responsibly. In reality it is going to lead to rent arrears, more hassle and costs for councils and more evicitions. Human rights have nothing to do with any of it - it isn't a human right to receive any sort of benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat owl Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Since the introduction of the Bedroom Tax and people on welfare now being asked to contribute towards Council Tax, there must be billions owed to councils up and down the land. Most people i know on benefits allegable for bedroom tax / council tax are £10-£15 a week worse off since April. What would happen if Housing benefit / Council Tax was deducted at source as essential outgoings - eg straight from benefits ! 1, Every council up and down the land would jump for joy and have their coffers added to immediately. And therefore no need to chase people through courts and tribunals etc for monies owed. Would boost the local economy maybe ? Stop people being a burden to councils, having to chase the owed revenue. More 'available' money to spend on essential public services - less cuts. 2, Would we see poverty rear its head a lot quicker than to what level we think it is ? It would speed up the process im sure. However, people wouldnt lose homes, because essential rents / taxes would be paid, therefore lowering evictions and the knock on housing issues. Maybe see more people dependent on food banks, money lenders ? Its all a bit hyperthetical however as this would breach the Human Rights Act where people have the right to that money, and with it, spend as they wish. And being allowed to 'make a choice'. To pay, or not to pay ? Rent / Housing Benefit Council Tax etc. Should they be deducted at source ? Good idea / Bad idea ? Is it the states money anyhow, and not for the individual / family to make their choice of failing to make regular contributions / payment ? Where does it say in the HRA that anybody has a right to benefits in cash ??? Surly it can't be just me that is sick to the back teeth of the HRA being spouted as an argument against everything ?? The sooner the damned thing is removed from our laws the better !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPEN BORDERS Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Deduction at source certainly makes sense. If needs paying, it needs paying ! ---------- Post added 08-09-2013 at 15:43 ---------- Where does it say in the HRA that anybody has a right to benefits in cash ??? Surly it can't be just me that is sick to the back teeth of the HRA being spouted as an argument against everything ?? The sooner the damned thing is removed from our laws the better !!! I never wish to know the whole of the HRA act, but i have witnessed first hand (through my proffession) the right of choice in such matters. People are entitled to make their own choices with 'their' monies. Good, bad or indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Where does it say in the HRA that anybody has a right to benefits in cash ??? It doesn't. How you conclude from that that the Human Rights Act is completely worthless, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat owl Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The Op stated that not paying cash was against the HRA and therefore I asked where and didn't conclude the worthlessness of the act from that point. However, it is exactly this misuse or misinterpretation of the act (or the interpretation of the act by HR lawyers which is completely different to the interprtation by other countries) that irritates and is the reason it should be scrapped...........as soon as possible !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauxwell Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 If David Cameron wins the next election will there be more cut backs to the welfare state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 If David Cameron wins the next election will there be more cut backs to the welfare state? What will be cut when there's nothing left to cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPEN BORDERS Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 If David Cameron wins the next election will there be more cut backs to the welfare state? Would you see essential outgoings being deducted at source as a solution ? What other cutbacks could he make ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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