Happ Hazzard Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 The NHS spends considerably more than the MOD. And I can understand overpaying for military hardware a little more than I can overpaying for a box of cornflakes. It takes 5 minutes to go online and look how much cornflakes are to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillpig Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 You're missing the point..waste isn't unique within the NHS..the MOD has it's fair share. I would rather pay over the odds for a bowl of cornflakes than a run down sub. Why be content with overpaying at all, if we got rid of the overpaid underworked inefficient elements of the public sector, privatized the lot, we would get our monies worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Actually UKIP ban any former members of racist parties such as the bnp, Britain first and EDL from joining. Anyone found to have been a former member of these groups are thrown out and all monies refunded. No other party does this. http://m.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/former-nazi-wins-a-labour-council-seat-1-3826439 Now Labour on the other hand.... interesting debate though in public yes they will say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 I think that we've established that when one hears the term "far right", it means that the speaker is a moderate to extreme socialist and really does not like whomever he/she is talking about. Apart from that it's fairly meaningless. There seems to be a misunderstanding among socialists that capitalists tend toward intolerance and other traits they rightfully disdain, even though such traits are more associated historically with socialists. I suspect that reclassifying the worst of the historical left as the right serves some political or psychological purpose. Since the diverse posters on this thread do not seem to be moving toward a consensus I shall attempt to answer my own question. The BNP, EDL etc should henceforth be referred to as "nationalist socialists". Psychologically it has a substantially different impact on those who hear it from the traditional shorthand. It will have the same negative effect on peoples' opinions of whatever group (EDL etc) we're talking about as the term "far right", but is more informative and places these groups more accurately on the political spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 in public yes they will say that I can assure you Mel its in their terms of membership. UKIP are under attack by the liblabcon so its in their interests to decline people with these beliefs. The fact that the 'mainstream' parties are unanimous in their condemnation of UKIP suggests to me UKIP are on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I think that we've established that when one hears the term "far right", it means that the speaker is a moderate to extreme socialist and really does not like whomever he/she is talking about. Apart from that it's fairly meaningless.Nope, that's what the right wing people on this thread seem to want to think, and it's what you have been saying since the OP, but it certainly has not been established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 The fact that the 'mainstream' parties are unanimous in their condemnation of UKIP suggests to me UKIP are on the right track. Very dubious line of reasoning. They're also unanimous in their condemnation of paedophiles and rapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 Nope, that's what the right wing people on this thread seem to want to think, and it's what you have been saying since the OP, but it certainly has not been established. It's an observation of what the openly socialist posters have said. What is it then, in your view, that makes somebody right wing or even "far right"? I'd appreciate a reply which is not self referential. Defining the right by reference to the right is not very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 SF is probably not a good place for gleaning a definition of "far right". According to some on here, UKIP are "far right", or pretty much anybody the left have cause to disagree with Farage seems to be. http://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 It's an observation of what the openly socialist posters have said. What is it then, in your view, that makes somebody right wing or even "far right"? I'd appreciate a reply which is not self referential. Defining the right by reference to the right is not very informative. So it's not something that has been established, just your own biased opinion. With a slur built in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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