Happ Hazzard Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Ron Paul is far right IMO. Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Ill and the others are far left. I know others disagree. The left likes to have the moral high ground so any tryants or despots tend to get branded "far right" to keep the left clean. But any government that wants to have total control over people's lives is living on the left side of the polical spectrum IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 info on the term far right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics Most informative. "In an extensive survey of the literature, academic Cas Mudde found 26 definitions of right-wing extremism that contained 57 different ideological features.[16]" Kind of makes my point. ---------- Post added 18-09-2013 at 20:19 ---------- The main one was blaming all the problems of the society on a few groups of people (Socialists, Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, foreigners, etc), then persecuting them. Right wing capitalism just targets the poor, fascism targets 'outsider' groups. There was obviously strong nationalism. Militarism. Social conservatism. Imperialism. They suppressed trade unions & supported corporations. Since trade unions are associated with big government, and corporations are associated with libertarianism, this is a good point. I don't associate nationalism, militarism or social conservatism with small government though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Most informative. "In an extensive survey of the literature, academic Cas Mudde found 26 definitions of right-wing extremism that contained 57 different ideological features.[16]" Kind of makes my point. plenty more definitions here but i know none will pass your stringent quality testing because you dont want it to, 2 words that crop up quite a bit tho "deeply conservative" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 To the OP: Do you really believe being an economic libertarian is all there is to being right wing or are you being deliberately stupid to make some sort of point? And if so, what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Ron Paul is far right IMO. Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Ill and the others are far left. I know others disagree. The left likes to have the moral high ground so any tryants or despots tend to get branded "far right" to keep the left clean. But any government that wants to have total control over people's lives is living on the left side of the polical spectrum IMO. Wasn't it Margaret Thatcher who said of her philosophy: "Economics are the method: the object is to change the soul"? Spoken like a true Stalinist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Ron Paul is far right IMO. Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Ill and the others are far left. I know others disagree. The left likes to have the moral high ground so any tryants or despots tend to get branded "far right" to keep the left clean. But any government that wants to have total control over people's lives is living on the left side of the polical spectrum IMO. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The only people I've ever seen arguing that Hitler et al were far left are those from the far right. In my personal worldview (although I'm sure I'm not the only one) far right = racist, nationalist, prone to banning things and intolerant of gays, the disabled and anyone who isn't like them. Utterly repellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 To the OP: Do you really believe being an economic libertarian is all there is to being right wing or are you being deliberately stupid to make some sort of point? And if so, what is it? i think hes far right and just trying to shift the goalposts slightly to make himself feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 To the OP: Do you really believe being a libertarian is all there is to being right wing or are you being deliberately stupid to make some sort of point? And if so, what is it? This is all genuinely my opinion. Do you have a better definition of "right wing" than mine. Any stupidity I might appear to show arises from the small size and poor functioning of my brain. ---------- Post added 18-09-2013 at 20:27 ---------- The only people I've ever seen arguing that Hitler et al were far left are those from the far right. In my personal worldview (although I'm sure I'm not the only one) far right = racist, nationalist, prone to banning things and intolerant of gays, the disabled and anyone who isn't like them. Utterly repellent. That definition is a little circular. In my experience, the moderate right are usually the first ones to stand up against banning things. If you mean that the right are disinclined to subsidise minorities, you may have a point there but it's not quite the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anywebsite Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Since trade unions are associated with big government, and corporations are associated with libertarianism, this is a good point. I don't associate nationalism, militarism or social conservatism with small government though. Small government isn't the only feature of "right wing" politics, it's part of a specific type of right wing politics called libertarianism (right wing economics, liberal social policy). Clearly Hitler was no Libertarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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