Flanker7 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The original question is a simple one and nothing to do with bigotry, protectionism, xenophobia, authoritarian practices or nationalism. It’s as near to the below as you can get An unfettered implementation of an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions. How to implement this system is problematic to such an extent that it is unworkable in its pure form, as is the far left model. The differences expressed on the thread are about the means and extent of implementation and not the definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 The original question is a simple one and nothing to do with bigotry, protectionism, xenophobia, authoritarian practices or nationalism. It’s as near to the below as you can get An unfettered implementation of an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions. How to implement this system is problematic to such an extent that it is unworkable in its pure form, as is the far left model. The differences expressed on the thread are about the means and extent of implementation and not the definition. An excellent summary I think of the mainstream political debate in modern UK politics. Far-right, would be a completely impractical pure capitalist system with only the most basic of rules. Government would have very little to do. Certainly hard to imagine how such a system could be authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I would have thought that was obvious. If there are many more socialist organisations which are bigoted and authoritarian, then QED fascism is more accurately described as a left wing phenomenon. If you can't find any then we needn't bother doing a count. That's a logical non sequitur. Your thinking skills are lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 That's a logical non sequitur. Your thinking skills are lacking. That's ridiculous. If you reject the use of evidence and facts to prove a point, what would you accept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 That's ridiculous. If you reject the use of evidence and facts to prove a point, what would you accept? You provided neither evidence nor facts, you attempted to base an argument on supposition and speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 You provided neither evidence nor facts, you attempted to base an argument on supposition and speculation. I did no such thing. I assert that supposedly "far right" fascism is in fact associated with socialism. I demonstrated this by examples of socialist organisations, past and present, which are also fascist. I invited you to offer a counter-example. You refused. In the absence of counter-examples or other contradictory evidence, my case is clearly proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Quod erat demonstrandum far from being "far right" fascism is in fact a type of socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I did no such thing. I assert that supposedly "far right" fascism is in fact associated with socialism. I demonstrated this by examples of socialist organisations, past and present, which are also fascist. I invited you to offer a counter-example. You refused. In the absence of counter-examples or other contradictory evidence, my case is clearly proven beyond a reasonable doubt. No I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 No I didn't. Not in writing, but I've made a clear challenge on here to do so, which you have singularly failed to take up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 . In the absence of counter-examples or other contradictory evidence, my case is clearly proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Quod erat demonstrandum far from being "far right" fascism is in fact a type of socialism. No, that's not how it works at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The only people I've ever seen arguing that Hitler et al were far left are those from the far right. In my personal worldview (although I'm sure I'm not the only one) far right = racist, nationalist, prone to banning things and intolerant of gays, the disabled and anyone who isn't like them. Utterly repellent. where as the far left are intolerant of the right, so are equally as repellent as the far right. Leftie`s like the UAF , SWP , etc try to take the moral high ground but want to silence the right , making them no different from the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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