What does "far right" mean anyway?

[unbeliever]

No, that's not how it works at all.

 

Well then how does it work?

 

Let me guess. We just accept whatever the socialists say, because we all know that socialism, wisdom and virtue are by definition the same thing.

 

I've made a case. I've backed that case up with reason and facts. I've invited others to put forward facts suggesting I'm incorrect. None have been forthcoming.

You've made attempts to mischaracterise my case and suggested that my brain is somehow faulty; but neither you nor anybody else on your general side of this debate has offered anything to refute my case.

That's all good fun and such, and you're certainly a worthy debate opponent; but it doesn't really address the argument at hand.

What have I missed?

Edited July 11, 2015 by unbeliever

[unbeliever]

Thanks to alisonmanic for tracking down the original thread on this subject above and merging. I honestly did look for it before starting a new one. I'll leave the rest of my OP as I originally posted it below:

 

With the exception of Pinochet (who is rather pathetic as genocidal monsters go), every single genocidal monster from modern history was a Socialist.

I don't mind the term "far right" as a shorthand, but that's all it is. The "far right" organisations are almost exclusively hateful socialists.

I invite the socialists here to challenge this assertion so that I can squash said challenges thus removing all doubt.

Anybody who thinks "LOL" is a counter-argument will either be torn to shreds or ignored completely.

 

I don't claim that Socialists are genocidal by nature. I don't dislike them. They're not evil, just wrong. But I'm not tolerating this quite preposterous notion that the term "far right" is anything other than the world's greatest misnomer.

 

Thanks.

Edited October 31, 2016 by unbeliever
Looked odd after the thread merging

[geared]

With the exception of Pinochet (who is rather pathetic as genocidal monsters go), every single genocidal monster from modern history was a Socialist.

 

What is the definition of modern history you're using here?

[Berberis]

I had one of these threads a few years back. It seems it got deleted at some point.

Once again, the socialists on the forum are attempting to draw a link between capitalism/libertarianism (that generally called the moderate right) and the so called "far right".

It seems that they need a massive lesson in history. Again! How quickly they forget.

 

With the exception of Pinochet (who is rather pathetic as genocidal monsters go), every single genocidal monster from modern history was a Socialist.

I don't mind the term "far right" as a shorthand, but that's all it is. The "far right" organisations are almost exclusively hateful socialists.

I invite the socialists here to challenge this assertion so that I can squash said challenges thus removing all doubt.

Anybody who thinks "LOL" is a counter-argument will either be torn to shreds or ignored completely.

 

I don't claim that Socialists are genocidal by nature. I don't dislike them. They're not evil, just wrong. But I'm not tolerating this quite preposterous notion that the term "far right" is anything other than the world's greatest misnomer.

 

Thanks.

 

Erherm .... fascists are far right no matter how you look at it.

 

The political spectrum is not a straight line as you seem to imply.

 

-> Communism <--> Socialism <--> Liberalism <--> Moderatism <--> Conservatism <--> Libertarianism <--> Fascism <-

 

To compare, Stalin's Communist Russia was left wing authoritarianism, while Hitler's Nazi Germany was right wing authoritarianism.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Berberis

[unbeliever]

What is the definition of modern history you're using here?

 

Let's go with the last 100 years to keep it simple.

 

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Erherm .... fascists are far right no matter how you look at it.

 

 

Even though they have far more in common with the more general "left"?

 

The political spectrum is not a straight line as you seem to imply.

 

-> Communism <--> Socialism <--> Liberalism <--> Moderatism <--> Conservatism <--> Libertarianism <--> Fascism <-

 

To compare, Stalin's Communist Russia was left wing authoritarianism, while Hitler's Nazi Germany was right wing authoritarianism.

 

It's no just about authoritarianism. It's also about the politics of division and bigotry.

 

I'm not implying anything. I resent it when ignorant socialists claim a link between what is simplistically termed the "moderate right" and what is termed the "far right" when in fact there are stronger links between the "moderate left" and the "far right" as "far right" is a massive misnomer.

Edited October 31, 2016 by unbeliever

[tinfoilhat]

When you're describing far right / far left are you mainly talking about economics?

[unbeliever]

When you're describing far right / far left are you mainly talking about economics?

 

Depends on the context. Which is why I try to avoid these terms

[Guest sibon]

Depends on the context. Which is why I try to avoid these terms

 

Is that why you started a thread, using just such a term?

 

An uncharitable person might infer that you are simply looking for an argument.

[Berberis]

It's no just about authoritarianism. It's also about the politics of division and bigotry.

 

I'm not implying anything. I resent it when ignorant socialists claim a link between what is simplistically termed the "moderate right" and what is termed the "far right" when in fact there are stronger links between the "moderate left" and the "far right" as "far right" is a massive misnomer.

 

I agree when you say that the left seem to think they can label anyone who is not on their side of the fence as far right. Ignoring the fact the Labour party was and still is on the same side of the fence in reality.

[Randy]

For the left wing media, Far Right means anyone who takes pride in being British and/or voted for Brexit.