Dardandec Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 But you can have commitment without marriage. But can you though? think about it, if you can just take your stuff and go when your not married how is that commitment? nothing to work at then unless you have kids but most "uncommitted people" don't even seem to care about them either sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 No it doesn't. Well, yes. But the average marriage with all the trimmings is usually going to be in the thousands. Still, I don't see why marriage creates a stable society. ---------- Post added 29-09-2013 at 00:24 ---------- But can you though? think about it, if you can just take your stuff and go when your not married how is that commitment? nothing to work at then unless you have kids but most "uncommitted people" don't even seem to care about them either sometimes. You can just take your stuff and go even if you are married. There's probably going to be an expensive divorce too. Marriage doesn't guarantee commitment - any never has done. It just may make it more difficult to legally separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeMac Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Well, yes. But the average marriage with all the trimmings is usually going to be in the thousands. Still, I don't see why marriage creates a stable society. Well, two parents are undeniably better than one. There are loads of studies out there that will show you that kids from stable homes perform better at school. I know that marriage doesn't automatically provide such a home, but it is a good start. Following on from that, stable relationships have to contribute to a stable society. There are loads of sensible reasons why that is the case. I'm no Tory. But on this, I do think that Cameron is correct. Promoting validated civil partnerships, or marriage can only enhance social cohesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maz3 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The govt are harking back to a mythical golden age, probably the 50s, when women stayed at home, Dixon of dock Green was on the beat, everyone was supposed to know their place and not want anything different ... If they want society to be more stable, they could try reducing the gap between rich and poor for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Well, two parents are undeniably better than one. I agree that having two parents can be better than one. But I don't see what that has to do with being married. You can have two parents in a stable relationship who aren't married. I'm no Tory. But on this, I do think that Cameron is correct. Promoting validated civil partnerships, or marriage can only enhance social cohesion. But marriage doesn't guarantee a stable relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 You can just take your stuff and go even if you are married. There's probably going to be an expensive divorce too. Marriage doesn't guarantee commitment - any never has done. It just may make it more difficult to legally separate. Yes I agree but you are taking on more of a responsibility, and I take it from your posts you obviously aren't married and also don't like taking on "commitment" or "responsibility". That's fine mate everyone to their own but if any respective government does reward people for it, that's up to them. ---------- Post added 29-09-2013 at 00:41 ---------- The govt are harking back to a mythical golden age, probably the 50s, when women stayed at home, Dixon of dock Green was on the beat, everyone was supposed to know their place and not want anything different ... If they want society to be more stable, they could try reducing the gap between rich and poor for a start. I think you are being a little silly there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jane2008 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I have been with my partner for 32 years. Not married. That is commitment. We don't need a piece of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yes I agree but you are taking on more of a responsibility, and I take it from your posts you obviously aren't married and also don't like taking on "commitment" or "responsibility". You can be responsible and in a committed relationship while not being married. So I don't get your point. Edit: And don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking those who do get married; I just don't see how marriage guarantees commitment or how marriage creates a stable society when, looking around the world, societies that really value marriage are often extremely unstable. I also don't see why married couples - whose marriage may not be stable or healthy - will get tax breaks while non-married couples in stable and healthy relationships receive no tax benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 You can be responsible and in a committed relationship while not being married. So I don't get your point. My point is you can easily walk away, where is the commitment in that? to be honest I don't get your point other than you leave yourself the easy way out which = no commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 If they want society to be more stable, they could try reducing the gap between rich and poor for a start. How do you suppose the government go about this? Giving people free money doesn't address the reasons why they are poor, it just makes them dependent on the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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