War hero besmirched

[Manlinose]

Sorry, thought I would just get this in before I leave you and rest of the comintern to it.

 

Miliband is finished, you could argue that he never got started. but the Daily Mail has done for him. The public in South Yorkshire will of course vote Labour. but in the more discriminatory areas its all over for him, he is a Norwegian Blue, a singer in the choir eternal. a Dead Parrot.

 

so if you are anti daily mail it makes you a communist?

 

meanwhile, back in the real world, where it isn't just blue or red, you may be right about miliband's electoral prospects.

 

obviously you are wrong about the extent of influence the mail's article may have on floating voter's intentions - come may 2015 no-one will remember anything about it

[PeterPerfect]

so if you are anti daily mail it makes you a communist?

 

meanwhile, back in the real world, where it isn't just blue or red, you may be right about miliband's electoral prospects.

 

obviously you are wrong about the extent of influence the mail's article may have on floating voter's intentions - come may 2015 no-one will remember anything about it

 

Labour need to change leader. Unfortunately with all the fuss about this issue it won't happen soon.

 

Labour is a spent force. They've taken liberties with their core vote. Many of whom have changed sides.

 

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Good article here about those who thought it acceptable to dance on the grave of Thatcher but recoil in horror at the scorn thrown at Milliband's father..

 

Listening to Ed Miliband and his henchmen in the BBC and elsewhere, you would think that this newspaper was guilty of a smear against his late father unprecedented in the annals of human history.

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-2442132/Ed-Milibands-Marxist-father-debate-How-hypocritical-Left-upset.html#ixzz2geDDvMfg

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There you have it. Ed Milliband needs to shut up now.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384726/Ed-Milibands-regret-link-Maggie-grave-man.html

[alchresearch]

It's here but behind a pay wall so you can only read a tiny bit of it.

 

Did it call Ralph Miliband evil and say he hated Britain? If not, it's not really the same thing. There's nothing wrong with discussing Ralph Miliband's politics and speculating on the effects it might have had on his son but making up lies about him is something else.

 

That's the thing. I bought that paper and read the article and it did have a dig at Ed and his confused values, but it didn't use such vulgar terms that the DM did, probably because the paper is read by people who can understand words of more than one syllable and can make up their own minds from the evidence.

 

With tabloids its like they have to spell it out to the readership.

[Manlinose]

Labour need to change leader. Unfortunately with all the fuss about this issue it won't happen soon.

 

Labour is a spent force. They've taken liberties with their core vote. Many of whom have changed sides.

 

It wouldn't have happened soon irrespective of all the recent fuss - traditionally the labour party has been very reluctant to get rid of any leader who is perceived by some of the rest of the world to be electorally unpopular - they usually allow them to fight an election, lose, and then stand down

 

in miliband's case, as far as labour see it, he is ahead in the opinion polls, so why should they dump him

 

i know some labour party members and supporters who believe that the reason the mail (and others) are so anti-miliband at the moment is precisely because they think he could actually win the election (even if only by default) - that is also why you will increasingly hear the argument by a lot of worried conservatives that if you vote ukip you will get miliband

 

i don't agree labour is a spent force - they are certainly not as successful as they were under blair, but then they weren't all that popular or successful before blair came along either

 

i do agree however that they do not appear to appeal to those middle ground voters who switch between the two main parties

 

it seems a peculiar thing to drag your party leftwards when the electorate generally is moving towards the right on a lot of issues, but if labour's core vote is 35% that is just about all they need to win the election and maybe miliband thinks he should be pandering to their tastes rather than trying to pick up the odd disaffected liberal or conservative

 

p.s. i also agree it is time for miliband to move on from the mail fuss - it was useful to distract the media away from the conservative conference and he's had his right of reply, but throwing more fuel onto the mail's self seeking publicity fire, to my mind, would not benefit him any more

 

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That's the thing. I bought that paper and read the article and it did have a dig at Ed and his confused values, but it didn't use such vulgar terms that the DM did, probably because the paper is read by people who can understand words of more than one syllable and can make up their own minds from the evidence.

 

With tabloids its like they have to spell it out to the readership.

 

it was in the sunday times magazine, they don't go in for sensationalist and misrepresentative headlines

 

some quotes are

 

He was a Marxist professor,” Ed said, before explaining how his father erroneously believed that “the route to a fair society was through socialism based on public ownership”. His dad was wrong, he continued, because nationalising the big industries “isn’t the route to a fair society”.

 

Either way, Ed is walking a political tightrope over his father’s legacy. On one hand, he appears to want to embrace Ralph Miliband, the penniless Jewish refugee who escaped the Nazis and rebuilt his life in Britain; on the other, he is repudiating his father, the Marxist who slammed any compromise with capitalism.

 

For any politician, the back story matters — yet few politicians have a back story to match that of the Labour leader. His father was born Adolphe Miliband in Brussels in 1924, the eldest child of Polish-Jewish immigrants who had left Warsaw in the wake of the First World War. It was the Second World War, however, that would change the Milibands for ever.

 

On May 10, 1940, the Nazis launched its attack on Belgium. Adolphe, 16 at the time, tried to escape the city on foot — and his father, Sam, accompanied him, leaving mother Renée and sister Nan behind. The pair walked more than 60 miles to the port of Ostend, where they managed to get onto the last boat that left for England before the country was overrun by Hitler’s forces.

 

Father and son arrived as refugees in a nation at war; young Adolphe changed his inadvertently provocative first name to Ralph on the advice of a friendly landlady. And in the hot summer of 1940, Ralph made what he later described as a “private pilgrimage” to the grave of Karl Marx in Highgate Cemetery, where he stood “in front of the grave, fist clenched, swearing my own private oath that I would be faithful to the workers’ cause… I thought of myself as a revolutionary socialist or communist.”

 

In the Labour leader’s office, I ask Ed how Ralph’s Marxist politics had such a profound impact on so many people — but not on his two avowedly social-democratic sons? Ed pauses. “He sort of persuaded me of something more important [than Marxism]: a set of values. He wasn’t ‘My way or the highway’.” He pauses again. “At least, not with us.”

 

I asked a well-connected Tory source if the Conservative leadership intended to use Ed’s dad against him. “I think it would be foolish,” he told me. “Voters won’t like [us] using a dead father.” Yet, just days later, the Conservative mayor of London, Boris Johnson, claimed the Labour leader wasn’t in favour of “wealth creation”. The evidence? “He is the product of a world of north London intellectuals and grew up in a household where the words ‘free market’ or ‘capitalism’ were positively terms of abuse,” wrote Johnson in his Telegraph column on July 1.

 

sorry if that got a bit long winded - but the article shows you can dissect the relationship between father and son in a grown up way and you don't need hysterical headlines

[alchresearch]

Can the DM stoop any lower:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24379322

 

Labour leader claimed a Mail on Sunday reporter attended uninvited a memorial event for his uncle in Guy's Hospital on Wednesday.

 

Mr Miliband said the memorial event for Professor Harry Keen was attended by family, close friends and colleagues.

 

"I was told by one of my relatives late yesterday evening that a reporter from the Mail on Sunday had found her way into the event uninvited. I also discovered that, once there, she approached members of my family seeking comments on the controversy over the Daily Mail's description of my late father as someone who 'hated Britain'.

 

"The Editor of the Mail on Sunday has since confirmed to my office that a journalist from his newspaper did indeed attend the memorial uninvited with the intention of seeking information for publication this weekend.

[Mecky]

I think asking why he came to the UK if he doesn't like it here is a bit lame. If he had stayed on mainland Europe the chances are he would have been picked up by the Nazis.

[Obelix]

I think asking why he came to the UK if he doesn't like it here is a bit lame. If he had stayed on mainland Europe the chances are he would have been picked up by the Nazis.

 

This is the point. He was fleeing from persecution and in that state anywhere even remotley friendly would look good. The Mail appears to be castigating him for some unfortunate words that he sai shortly after experincing something that most of us will never see and probably never accuratly imagine either. Despite his apparantly dislike for the UK he then took a uniform and arms up in it's defence.

 

Whilst I may not like his politics the man himself appears to have done nothing wrong and has raised a family, paid his taxes, and contributed considerably to the country and society that gave him sancturary. The Mail should be deeply ashamed of the way it is treating him and Miliband is entirely right to be greatly annoyed with them.

[alchresearch]

The Mail on Sunday has now apologised for sending a reporter to the memorial.

 

DM still hasn't backed down through.

[Mecky]

This is the point. He was fleeing from persecution and in that state anywhere even remotley friendly would look good. The Mail appears to be castigating him for some unfortunate words that he sai shortly after experincing something that most of us will never see and probably never accuratly imagine either. Despite his apparantly dislike for the UK he then took a uniform and arms up in it's defence.

 

Whilst I may not like his politics the man himself appears to have done nothing wrong and has raised a family, paid his taxes, and contributed considerably to the country and society that gave him sancturary. The Mail should be deeply ashamed of the way it is treating him and Miliband is entirely right to be greatly annoyed with them.

 

It's sad but true. People can have a difference of opinion but when there's the issue of losing your life or you face some other form of sever persecution it's a different matter. As such you have three options, stand and fight if you have enough people on your side and sufficient military hardware, flee over the borders or fight it out in court, but if the aggressor controls the courts you only really have two options.

[janie48]

Members of the Jewish community are naturally speaking out against the slur on Ralph Miliband with some accusing the DM of antisemitism which is what I expected.

I suppose the DM knew they would get away with what they printed because the person who wrote the nasty article is Jewish himself.

 

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/111993/daily-mail-accused-antisemitic-attack-over-miliband-story