retep Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 The DM has this effect on some people. It should come with warning signs and a disclaimer. Try reading the Guardian old boy. The original story on this thread was from the Express, 'Take us to the UK': Syrian refugees go on hunger strike in Calais demanding asylum "Around 40 of them have gone on hunger strike and refuse to move from the bridge in the Calais ferry port. Some have also climbed on a roof and threatened to jump off unless their demand to be taken to England is met." how does it differ from the Guardian? News World news France "French police try to move Syrian refugees seeking asylum in UK "French riot police have arrived at a Calais port terminal to try to move dozens of Syrian refugees who have been blockading a walkway to the port building for three days, demanding access to British officials in order to seek asylum in the UK." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Brave people fleeing the destruction of their homeland and trying to make a better life for themselves and their children. Not that brave are they, otherwise they'd be back there fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScewyWabbit Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 They're being offered a safe place in France. If they were genuinely trying to escape their government, they're quite alright where they are. The sole reason (in my opinion) they wish to get here is because the benefits will be handed out quicker, and they'll get a nice 2-bed semi much faster. A 2 bed will not be big enough! Syrians have an average of 6 kids then there is the parents parents. Hence why HB is now only paid for a max of 4 beds and £500 max benefits per household (universal credit). We do not have the type of housing for the arab culture (baby breeders) they are as bad a wabbits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 how does it differ from the Guardian? Clearly they're a different class of reader, not so easily aroused like the red faced, one eyed DM firebreather I think that was the point the poster was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccit Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 They have done well to get this far and if they are genuine refugees then who can blame them for fleeing? However, now that they are demanding to come to the UK they have changed their own status from refugee to immigrant because they are already in a safe country where their needs can be met. The problem is that they will not regularise their status in France by claiming asylum. If they reach this country they ought to be returned to France under the current law. There is an expectation that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 The original story on this thread was from the Express, 'Take us to the UK': Syrian refugees go on hunger strike in Calais demanding asylum "Around 40 of them have gone on hunger strike and refuse to move from the bridge in the Calais ferry port. Some have also climbed on a roof and threatened to jump off unless their demand to be taken to England is met." how does it differ from the Guardian? News World news France "French police try to move Syrian refugees seeking asylum in UK "French riot police have arrived at a Calais port terminal to try to move dozens of Syrian refugees who have been blockading a walkway to the port building for three days, demanding access to British officials in order to seek asylum in the UK." I've noticed this too. People get all foamy mouthed when the OP links to the DM, then you point out plenty of other papers are carrying the same story. Bottom line is, they're trying to blackmail their way into this country. I would let them starve to death before allowing them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Shoes Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 There is an expectation that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 A 2 bed will not be big enough! Syrians have an average of 6 kids then there is the parents parents. Hmm and where do you get that stunning piece of social commentary from? Hence why HB is now only paid for a max of 4 beds and £500 max benefits per household (universal credit). We do not have the type of housing for the arab culture (baby breeders) they are as bad a wabbits. Given that your hypothesis is based upon a false assumption, it renders this piece of diatribe irrelevant. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 12:03 ---------- There is an expectation that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. Did you know the overwhelming majority of them do? But obviously those receiving countries are limited in resources just like the rest of us and since they tend to be the poorest countries their resources will be stretched far more than those of developed countries. It might not be music to your ears or what you want to believe but this is an extract from an article on the UNHCR website "In most cases people seeking refuge from conflict choose to remain in countries neighbouring their own in hope of being able to return home (an example is Syria, where the figure of 24,800 Syrian asylum claims in industrialized countries compares to more than 1.1 million registered Syrian refugees currently in neighbouring countries)." http://www.unhcr.org/5149c6f46.html Read that well-there are currently 25,000 asylum claims from Syrians across industrialised countries, compared to 1 million who are seeking refuge in neighbouring countries. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 12:46 ---------- I've noticed this too. People get all foamy mouthed when the OP links to the DM, then you point out plenty of other papers are carrying the same story. Bottom line is, they're trying to blackmail their way into this country. I would let them starve to death before allowing them in. Have you not considered they'd much rather be living in peace and harmony in their homeland? Why would anyone want to leave the country where their jobs are, their family and memories are to come to a country that's extremely hostile to their existence? Housing benefit and a few food vouchers wouldn't really swing it for me to be honest. Whatever the whys and wherefors behind their claim for asylum in the UK, would you seriously want to see totally innocent people and their children 'starve to death'?-sound very much like a Daily Mail reader to me ol boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccit Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Most people would not want to see others starving themselves to death but in this particular case it is highly unlikely that it will happen. These people are highly motivated individuals with a strong survival ethic. That is why they are insistent on coming here. I do wonder why they think that the UK is so desirable though because the lot of the jobless immigrant is not as good as they perhaps might think. They should be entered onto the database and encouraged to claim asylum in France. Eventually they can become French citizens and legally emigrate to the UK. Right at this moment in time their claim to asylum in this country is surely invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Clearly they're a different class of reader, not so easily aroused like the red faced, one eyed DM firebreather I think that was the point the poster was making. Quite obviously they are, and think the same news item reported by several newspapers differs from that of the Mail, nobbery at it's worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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