tinfoilhat Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Those 'safe' countries might not have been in a position to grant them asylum. You don't get this refugee thing do you? Just because they're fleeing an evil regime doesn't necessarily mean they're impoverished. I know of several extremely wealthy Iranians who sought asylum in the UK after/during the revolution in the late 70's. See my post above. Most do, over 1 million Syrians have been given refuge in neighbouring countries, but presumably you can imagine the effect that has on those countries infrastructure-social & economic? They might quite simply not be in a position to offer assistance. Conversely only 25,000 so far have sought asylum further afield..slight difference eh? How do you know they didn't? Not really, for the reasons stated above. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 15:41 ---------- Refugees don't generally walk from their country of persecution. I guess they go to the countries which will offer them and their families the best outcome, despite what you think there are quite a few in front of the UK in terms of preferred destination. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 15:44 ---------- Indeed, however unlike you I wouldn't rejoice at that outcome. You forgot to include the part where I said 'without the whys and wherefors'. As I said I made no reference to my preferred outcome to any claim for asylum they might make in the UK. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 15:51 ---------- Whenever this issue comes up people become obsessed by this 'nearest country thing'-imagine if the SNP came to power in Scotland and started persecuting anyone with English blood. Presumably you'd be perfectly happy then if a couple of million Sassenachs came fleeing over Hadrian's Wall to cosy up in your front room? Couple of points. France is safe. The Syrians might even speaka da lingo. It's not Iraq or turkey. It's a modern (socialist !) country who I'm sure will see them right. It's where they are. That really should be the end of it. But if they are going back in X amount of time when the smoke clears, does it really matter whether its France or England ? Stay in France! One other point are there camps in Dover with people trying to sneak back to France from the uk and if not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Couple of points. France is safe. The Syrians might even speaka da lingo. It's not Iraq or turkey. It's a modern (socialist !) country who I'm sure will see them right. It's where they are. That really should be the end of it. But if they are going back in X amount of time when the smoke clears, does it really matter whether its France or England ? Stay in France! One other point are there camps in Dover with people trying to sneak back to France from the uk and if not, why not? As I've said a few times tfh, I've no observations to make about their asylum claim in France or whether they have more chance of a successful claim in the UK..we simply don't know the relevant detail. I was addressing points made by other posters about asylum generally and the type of people they believe become refugees. And there you've said it, in reality economic migrants that this country cannot afford! Your points in general are mostly Hypothetical. I didn't say anything about economics. So France, Germany, Austria Italy etc are the poor underdeveloped countries are they. What about Holland, Denmark Belgium or Switzerland? Are they all poor? So where did these so called refugees get their migration money from, I can't afford to go on a trip around the Middle east and Europe but it seems they can afford to take their whole families on the 'Grand Tour'? I've no idea, but if they're like our general population many will have savings, professional jobs, family abroad etc. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 17:15 ---------- They'd be crushed in the rush by the twice as many Scots who live here returning. So ol blighty ain't so wonderful after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peer Gynt Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 So where did these so called refugees get their migration money from, I can't afford to go on a trip around the Middle east and Europe but it seems they can afford to take their whole families on the 'Grand Tour'? I've no idea, but if they're like our general population many will have savings, professional jobs, family abroad etc.[ How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Those 'safe' countries might not have been in a position to grant them asylum. You don't get this refugee thing do you? Just because they're fleeing an evil regime doesn't necessarily mean they're impoverished. I know of several extremely wealthy Iranians who sought asylum in the UK after/during the revolution in the late 70's. See my post above. Most do, over 1 million Syrians have been given refuge in neighbouring countries, but presumably you can imagine the effect that has on those countries infrastructure-social & economic? They might quite simply not be in a position to offer assistance. Conversely only 25,000 so far have sought asylum further afield..slight difference eh? How do you know they didn't? Not really, for the reasons stated above. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 15:41 ---------- Refugees don't generally walk from their country of persecution. I guess they go to the countries which will offer them and their families the best outcome, despite what you think there are quite a few in front of the UK in terms of preferred destination. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 15:44 ---------- Indeed, however unlike you I wouldn't rejoice at that outcome. You forgot to include the part where I said 'without the whys and wherefors'. As I said I made no reference to my preferred outcome to any claim for asylum they might make in the UK. I never said I would rejoice The merit of their case is irrelevant until such point that the proper process for applying for refugee status is followed. At the moment, threatening harm upon themselves in order to blackmail us doesn't merit any kind of intervention. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 17:22 ---------- I've no idea, but if they're like our general population many will have savings, professional jobs, family abroad etc. They'll do alright wherever they are then, they don't need to come here. PS welcome back after being a naughty boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 As I've said a few times tfh, I've no observations to make about their asylum claim in France or whether they have more chance of a successful claim in the UK..we simply don't know the relevant detail. I was addressing points made by other posters about asylum generally and the type of people they believe become refugees. I didn't say anything about economics. I've no idea, but if they're like our general population many will have savings, professional jobs, family abroad etc. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 17:15 ---------- So ol blighty ain't so wonderful after all? Can't see you packing your bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I would have thought that France would be a good country to live in compared to Syria ,but then again they think England is better and I wonder why. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/434378/Take-us-to-the-UK-Syrian-refugees-go-on-hunger-strike-in-Calais-demanding-asylum France is great, it's full of lovely poeple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 France is great, it's full of lovely poeple it's turning very xenophobic, ever more publicly atm. Massive ding-dong currently, after several socialist ministers jumped on Marine LePen's bandwagon in the mainstream media about Romas. The sort of outbursts that would lose a Minister his job here, and jelly-made-man Hollande hasn't condemned them as much/strenuously as he should have...probable because he's snookered by them for political survival. Seems to be a race to the bottom where that is concerned, esp.after the Front National latest estimates in polls. Old Marine is running away with public opinion, I regret to inform. It's turning ugly in a few places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 it's turning very xenophobic, ever more publicly atm. Massive ding-dong currently, after several socialist ministers jumped on Marine LePen's bandwagon in the mainstream media about Romas. The sort of outbursts that would lose a Minister his job here, and jelly-made-man Hollande hasn't condemned them as much/strenuously as he should have...probable because he's snookered by them for political survival. Seems to be a race to the bottom where that is concerned, esp.after the Front National latest estimates in polls. Old Marine is running away with public opinion, I regret to inform. It's turning ugly in a few places. On the ball L00b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Can't see you packing your bags. Why would I, I love it...I was asking a question based on your belief about how Scots here would behave. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 19:18 ---------- PS welcome back after being a naughty boy Hmmm...do you have snitches amongst the moderating team? I've mentioned to noone my recent ban. ---------- Post added 05-10-2013 at 19:19 ---------- How do you know? Why wouldn't you believe that was the obvious answer to your stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sick again Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 it's turning very xenophobic, ever more publicly atm. Massive ding-dong currently, after several socialist ministers jumped on Marine LePen's bandwagon in the mainstream media about Romas. The sort of outbursts that would lose a Minister his job here, and jelly-made-man Hollande hasn't condemned them as much/strenuously as he should have...probable because he's snookered by them for political survival. Seems to be a race to the bottom where that is concerned, esp.after the Front National latest estimates in polls. Old Marine is running away with public opinion, I regret to inform. It's turning ugly in a few places. France, like everywhere else in Europe, is getting over run with third worlder's; absolutely no good will come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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