altus Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Something lifted the quilt of my bed this morning while I was asleep. it gave out a terrible deep growl, and left a sulfurous stench! Egg curry last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I agree that there are things without explanation, I have witnessed some myself. The problem is that you are giving them an explanation, without reason. What you're saying is pretty much the same as Cyclone's analogy... EDIT: For me, they remain unexplained, I have as much reason to believe spiritual forces are the cause as I have to believe that cosmic radiation, or a tin of beans are the cause, therefore I do not attribute the unexplained things to a specific cause (ie, spiritual forces) I said some things might be explained by physics in the future, not all. And if quantum physics is an example, solving one enigma just creates 10 more. We are being arrogant if we think we will one day understand everything. Maybe some things are not meant to be known. There will always be room for spiritual forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 We're supposedly in for a bad winter this year. Why? Because of the behaviour of nature. How does "nature" know that the weather is going to be bad? Is that not a spiritual force (Gaia?) at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I said some things might be explained by physics in the future, not all. And if quantum physics is an example, solving one enigma just creates 10 more. We are being arrogant if we think we will one day understand everything. Maybe some things are not meant to be known. There will always be room for spiritual forces. If several unknown phenomena today have their causes ascribed to a 'spiritual force', what does it say about the spiritual force if a scientific explanation is developed for one of those unknown phenomena? Should we just assume that we were wrong about the spiritual force being responsible for that one phenomena and assume it's still responsible for the others or should we question the existence of the spiritual force? What about when the next unknown phenomena turns out to have a scientific explanation? And the next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 I said some things might be explained by physics in the future, not all. And if quantum physics is an example, solving one enigma just creates 10 more. We are being arrogant if we think we will one day understand everything. Maybe some things are not meant to be known. There will always be room for spiritual forces. I haven't said anything contrary to this. "Room for spiritual forces" doesn't seem to me to be a reason to currently believe in them though. Do you actually have a reason? ---------- Post added 18-10-2013 at 15:19 ---------- We're supposedly in for a bad winter this year. Why? Because of the behaviour of nature. How does "nature" know that the weather is going to be bad? Is that not a spiritual force (Gaia?) at work? Hang on, your saying; 1) Nature's behaviour causes the bad weather 2) Nature knows that it's behaviour is to blame for the bad weather, therefore is a spiritual force eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gularscute Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 No... they are pears you filthy infidel!!! When I used to buy them from Schrödinger's Fruit n' Veg, I couldn't tell whether they were fresh or rotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I said some things might be explained by physics in the future, not all. And if quantum physics is an example, solving one enigma just creates 10 more. We are being arrogant if we think we will one day understand everything. Maybe some things are not meant to be known. There will always be room for spiritual forces. Invoking the supernatural is just a cop out on trying to understand. Whether or not we ever manage to understand everything is irrelevant, the point is that it does all follow rules, even if we can't figure them out (yet). ---------- Post added 18-10-2013 at 15:58 ---------- We're supposedly in for a bad winter this year. Why? Because of the behaviour of nature. How does "nature" know that the weather is going to be bad? Is that not a spiritual force (Gaia?) at work? Now you're just being silly. Nature just describes part of the physical aspect of the world we live in, it's not a decision making entity. Physics determines what the weather will be, and note I say determines, not decides, decision implies consciousness, the basic rules of behaviour of the universe determine the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 We're supposedly in for a bad winter this year. Why? Because of the behaviour of nature. How does "nature" know that the weather is going to be bad? Is that not a spiritual force (Gaia?) at work? Since when did nature become conscious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Nature just describes part of the physical aspect of the world we live in, it's not a decision making entity. Physics determines what the weather will be, and note I say determines, not decides, decision implies consciousness, the basic rules of behaviour of the universe determine the weather. What ^^^ says. Anything Supernatural/spiritual isn't a decision making entity. You cam make decisions based on your supernatural belief but those decisions can't be substantiated physically or scientifically, so therefore are only confined to your own "personal" space/belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 If several unknown phenomena today have their causes ascribed to a 'spiritual force', what does it say about the spiritual force if a scientific explanation is developed for one of those unknown phenomena? Should we just assume that we were wrong about the spiritual force being responsible for that one phenomena and assume it's still responsible for the others or should we question the existence of the spiritual force? What about when the next unknown phenomena turns out to have a scientific explanation? And the next... It always goes back to the same thing - Where did it all come from? What happened before the big bang? Who or what created the energy, the mass? What caused it to come into being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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