WeX Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Again, where is this supposed bus lane that only gets used for 1 vehicle every 10 minutes? Here is a list of all the bus lanes / bus gates: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/dms/scc/management/corporate-communications/documents/transport/transport-planning/Current-bus-tram-lanes-gates-locations-and-times--pdf--28-2Kb-/Bus%20tram%20lanes%20gates%20locations%20and%20times.doc Im sure you'll find one at least going by the number of 24 hours bus lanes there are. ---------- Post added 23-10-2013 at 15:12 ---------- Whilst bus lanes need to be in the right places, their usage per hour is pretty much irrelevant to how they affect traffic flow. If a single lane can feed cars into a bottleneck at a greater rate than they can pass through that bottleneck it doesn't matter how many extra lanes you have feeding it. This is why the Liverpool experiment is doomed to failure if they are not doing anything about the bottlenecks. What if the bottleneck is caused by the bus lane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 What if the bottleneck is caused by the bus lane? Bus lanes usually stop shortly before junctions to allow cars to use both lanes to get across - they don't always but that's probably because the real bottleneck is further along the road. Can you give an example of a bus lane being a bottleneck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Most bus lanes are there just to meet government targets, like cycle lanes are. They are of no use to anyone except the people employed to paint lines and town planners who dream up these crazy schemes, whom then can justify their existence and receive bonuses for been anti-car. Actually bus lanes are of use to people who use buses as well as taxis and bicycles. That's why they're called bus lanes and not line painter lanes or town planner lanes. In fact even if they were not bus lanes the council would still have to employ town planners and people to paint lines on the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T 42 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Bus lanes usually stop shortly before junctions to allow cars to use both lanes to get across - they don't always but that's probably because the real bottleneck is further along the road. Can you give an example of a bus lane being a bottleneck? All the way down Chesterfield Road to Heeley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 All the way down Chesterfield Road to Heeley. At Heeley, the bus lane ends and the lanes merge into only one lane for all the traffic that had been using both the bus lane and the other lane up to that point. So despite the fact that there is a bit of road where two lanes have to squeeze into one lane you instead think the bottleneck is the where there are two lanes all the way up Chesterfield Road? Are you sure you understand what a bottleneck is? There's something similar a bit further along the road with the bus lane that ends just before the junction with Broadfield Road as well - the lanes merge and there is one lane leading up to that junction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Here is a list of all the bus lanes / bus gates: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/dms/scc/management/corporate-communications/documents/transport/transport-planning/Current-bus-tram-lanes-gates-locations-and-times--pdf--28-2Kb-/Bus%20tram%20lanes%20gates%20locations%20and%20times.doc Im sure you'll find one at least going by the number of 24 hours bus lanes there are. Thats no good. The question was WHERE this mythical bus lane was, not provide a list of bus lanes where we "may" at "some time" "possibly" find that a 10 min period will elapse without a single vehicle or cycle passing on the lane whilst there is a standard flow of traffic in the non-bus lane The claim was made and as yet no proof has been produced. I ask again, Where is this mythical bus lane? ---------- Post added 23-10-2013 at 19:16 ---------- What if the bottleneck is caused by the bus lane? Are all bottlenecks caused by bus lanes? What about bottlenecks that are NOT near bus lanes, what is the excuse for those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYCHAPP Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Dump the car and get on the bus then Peasant waggon no thanks.!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe-b-1 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Peasant waggon no thanks.!!!! Is it dark with your head stuck up there? Snob. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dentzler Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Thats no good. The question was WHERE this mythical bus lane was, not provide a list of bus lanes where we "may" at "some time" "possibly" find that a 10 min period will elapse without a single vehicle or cycle passing on the lane whilst there is a standard flow of traffic in the non-bus lane The claim was made and as yet no proof has been produced. I ask again, Where is this mythical bus lane? ---------- Post added 23-10-2013 at 19:16 ---------- Are all bottlenecks caused by bus lanes? What about bottlenecks that are NOT near bus lanes, what is the excuse for those? Bus lanes halve the available space for traffic which causes more congestion, many examples of this happening all over the UK. http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/New-Hull-bus-lane-causing-chaos/story-18799596-detail/story.html http://www.bristol247.com/2013/09/23/ferguson-follows-liverpool-review-bristol-bus-lanes-24732/ http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Lights-cause-congestion/story-19777595-detail/story.html http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/new-bus-lane-cameras-causing-road-chaos-1-2271134 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Bus lanes halve the available space for traffic which causes more congestion, many examples of this happening all over the UK. http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/New-Hull-bus-lane-causing-chaos/story-18799596-detail/story.html http://www.bristol247.com/2013/09/23/ferguson-follows-liverpool-review-bristol-bus-lanes-24732/ http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Lights-cause-congestion/story-19777595-detail/story.html http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/new-bus-lane-cameras-causing-road-chaos-1-2271134 Only the last one specifically mentions bus lanes as causing congestion, the third one is a traffic light and the first 2 are merley specualtion As I said, are all gridlocks caused by bus lanes? No, simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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