geared Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The petrochemical plant at the giant Grangemouth complex in central Scotland is to close with the loss of about 800 jobs, owner Ineos has announced. The news was broken to the workforce at the plant and its associated oil refinery at a meeting on Wednesday. Ineos said a decision on whether to restart the refinery would be taken once the "threat of strike action" had been removed. Scotland's first minister said the closure "matches our worst fears". About 800 of the 1,370 people directly employed at the complex work at the petrochemical plant, with many more working there as contractors. The dispute at the plant, near Falkirk, began over the treatment of a union official and escalated to the threat of strike action http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24631342 I think this is the most damning piece from the article. In a statement released after the staff meeting, Ineos said: "The company made it clear that rejection of change would result in closure. Regrettably, the union advised union members to reject any form of change. What sort of advise is that to give??? Why did they not advise to accept the offer and then help employee's find new work??? Now you've got well over 1000 people out of work just before xmas and even more at the refinery staring down the same prospect in the near future. I thought the Unions were supposed to look after workers, how does getting them all laid off help in anyway?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24631342 I think this is the most damning piece from the article. What sort of advise is that to give??? Why did they not advise to accept the offer and then help employee's find new work??? Now you've got well over 1000 people out of work just before xmas and even more at the refinery staring down the same prospect in the near future. I thought the Unions were supposed to look after workers, how does getting them all laid off help in anyway?? Union leaders don't give a ****e..Their nests are well feathered.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 how does getting them all laid off help in anyway?? At least they're no longer being exploited by evil bosses who dare to aspire to making (*gasp!*) a profit. Being paid money in exchange for services, that's the slippery slop to serfdom. They're better off suckling at the state teat. After all, the country has plenty of free money to hand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 They're better off suckling at the state teat. After all, the country has plenty of free money to hand out. It did the trick for the bankers, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 theres already a thread for this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24631342 I think this is the most damning piece from the article. What sort of advise is that to give??? Why did they not advise to accept the offer and then help employee's find new work??? Now you've got well over 1000 people out of work just before xmas and even more at the refinery staring down the same prospect in the near future. I thought the Unions were supposed to look after workers, how does getting them all laid off help in anyway?? If the SNP have the power they should nationalise the refinery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 theres already a thread for this stuff Now't better than another Union bashing thread for some mel lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptowngirl Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 If the SNP have the power they should nationalise the refinery. What would that do. They have priced themselves out of the market. The average wage of technicians on the site is £55,000 compared to similar jobs in Scotland that pay £26,000 on average. Salmond can't nationalise the plant, and even if he could Scotland couldn't afford to keep it open with its current cost structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 What would that do. They have priced themselves out of the market. The average wage of technicians on the site is £55,000 compared to similar jobs in Scotland that pay £26,000 on average. Salmond can't nationalise the plant, and even if he could Scotland couldn't afford to keep it open with its current cost structure. What would it achieve? For a future independent Scotland it would achieve security of refined petroleum products for a country already rich in the raw inputs needed to make the refined products. From a national security point of view (for Scotland) it's a no-brainer. They would need that kind of infrastructure of their own. Obviously as you state they'd need to revise the cost structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 theres already a thread for this stuff Yea sorry about that, the other thread was started about the company and moving it's HQ - I wasn't following it. Then it moved onto this recent news piece. ---------- Post added 23-10-2013 at 22:56 ---------- What would it achieve? For a future independent Scotland it would achieve security of refined petroleum products for a country already rich in the raw inputs needed to make the refined products. From a national security point of view (for Scotland) it's a no-brainer. They would need that kind of infrastructure of their own. Obviously as you state they'd need to revise the cost structure. Yes but the refinery is outdated and inefficient anyway, whoever does take it on will need to plow a ton of money into it for upgrades and refurbishment - cos it can't really compete on the global market in it's current state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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