Ship Inn Shalesmoor

[TJC1]

........and Real Ale too I hope.

I'm not sure about the difference between the two, I go on taste.

 

There is a dispute supporters of the two and painting yourself as one or the other may put off those of a differing opinion.

 

CAMERA have a definition what 'real ale' is.

 

Anyone know a definition of 'Craft Ale'?

 

I just lump craft ale and real ale in the same ALE boat....probably wrong.

 

The only distinction I would make is LAGER is different to ALE.

 

Then micro breweries differ to commercial breweries.

 

I'm not very sophisticated or AU FAIT with the camra world so will probably be corrected by some LEVEL 7 real ale drinkers on here....

 

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The definition of real ale is beer that has gone through secondary fermentation in the container (be that cask, keg, bottle) and is dispensed without the addition of gas.

 

Craft beer doesn't have a definition in the UK - however it is generally taken as beer that is brewed on a small scale with quality ingredients by someone that cares.

 

Most real ales also qualify as craft beer on that basis, but the tag is generally used for the better quality keg beers that because they are served fizzy don't qualify as real ale.

 

In America they call real ale, CRAFT ale, is that right?

 

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Needless to say, anything mass produced by the likes of Greene King, Marstons, Coors etc is NOT craft beer. Thing is you probably need to include brewers such as AbInBev in this, who took over one of my favourite brewers, Goose Island. So it's not always so cut and dry.

 

Is this CRAFT ale?

 

they call it craft ale...from a mass producing brewery (well I assume so, because its internationally distributed)

 

six point breweries on sale at wetherspoons, would this be an exception to the rule?

Edited September 3, 2015 by TJC1
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[Andy C]

I just lump craft ale and real ale in the same ALE boat....probably wrong.

 

The only distinction I would make is LAGER is different to ALE.

 

Then micro breweries differ to commercial breweries.

 

I'm not very sophisticated or AU FAIT with the camra world so will probably be corrected by some LEVEL 7 real ale drinkers on here....

 

---------- Post added 03-09-2015 at 16:15 ----------

 

 

In America they call real ale, CRAFT ale, is that right?

 

---------- Post added 03-09-2015 at 16:20 ----------

 

 

Is this CRAFT ale?

 

they call it craft ale...from a mass producing brewery (well I assume so, because its internationally distributed)

 

six point breweries on sale at wetherspoons, would this be an exception to the rule?

 

My advise would be to only worry about whether it tastes good and you enjoy drinking it!

[muddycoffee]

Craft Ale started out as the American Term for Home Brew.

It is a bit like the term "Wellness". Does not really have any meaning in England but various commercial companies use it to try and describe things by devious means over here.

I wouldn't quite go as far as fraud. But it isn't a term that any decent uk company would use.

[scargill]

I'm pretty sure there will be real ale on tap, the likes of dogfish DNA. I'm not sure what the true definition of craft ale is to be fair. I was privileged to the beer menu in Pontefract and the craft bottled beers came under various headings like pale, ipa, plis, lager, golden etc. When I manage to get in there I will take a few sneaky pics of what its looking like and will share.

 

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And if anyone would like to help me out? I know about this pub as I'm doing the chalkboard signage. What I've been asked to do is come up with some Sayings in Sheffield dialect....above the bar like, "get thee Sen a beer"........."this way t' toilet" etc etc anyone have an idea of the correct idea of saying and how it's spelt or even more sayings that would fit a pub environment.

 

Thanks in advance

 

It's a Lav, not a toilet, as in "this way t Lav"

[Andy C]

It's a Lav, not a toilet, as in "this way t Lav"

 

or bogs.

 

Mens Bogs, t'wimmins bogs.

[TJC1]

Craft Ale started out as the American Term for Home Brew.

It is a bit like the term "Wellness". Does not really have any meaning in England but various commercial companies use it to try and describe things by devious means over here.

I wouldn't quite go as far as fraud. But it isn't a term that any decent uk company would use.

 

Interesting....how craft has worked its way into the british lexicon...

[Andy C]

Interesting....how craft has worked its way into the british lexicon...

 

that and Artisan.

 

Of course there has been comments for a while about the sort of nonsense appearing on food menus with the likes of 'hand cooked', 'hand cut', 'sea salt' etc. Oh and as for serving food on things that aren't plates...

[smiggs]

Craft Ale started out as the American Term for Home Brew.

It is a bit like the term "Wellness". Does not really have any meaning in England but various commercial companies use it to try and describe things by devious means over here.

I wouldn't quite go as far as fraud. But it isn't a term that any decent uk company would use.

 

If someone calls a beer craft ale, I assume it is ale by an independent company that is not real ale. The media and marketing people have started using the term a lot, don't think we can stop it now.

[DnAuK]

The definition of real ale is beer that has gone through secondary fermentation in the container (be that cask, keg, bottle) and is dispensed without the addition of gas.

 

Craft beer doesn't have a definition in the UK - however it is generally taken as beer that is brewed on a small scale with quality ingredients by someone that cares.

 

Most real ales also qualify as craft beer on that basis, but the tag is generally used for the better quality keg beers that because they are served fizzy don't qualify as real ale.

 

A beer isn't considered a real ale if it's served fizzy? Wow - and I thought you knew your stuff Mr C!

 

So, by that definition, Brewdog Punk IPA isn't a real ale because it's fizzy? Whereas Brewdog Dogma on the pump next door is, because it isn't? Yet they are both brewed in a very similar way and then centrifuged to remove sediment (rather than filtered).

 

What about Thornbridge Jaipur in cask and keg that starts out life the same way and then is just treat differently post production? And where do you stand on so called 'bright beers' that are commonly served at beer festivals so they don't need time to settle? Are they still 'real'?

 

I'd just go with your latter comment on concentrate on whether it tastes good! I have witnessed you enjoying Thornbridge Wild Raven on keg remember! And have photo evidence.

[Andy C]

A beer isn't considered a real ale if it's served fizzy? Wow - and I thought you knew your stuff Mr C!

 

So, by that definition, Brewdog Punk IPA isn't a real ale because it's fizzy? Whereas Brewdog Dogma on the pump next door is, because it isn't? Yet they are both brewed in a very similar way and then centrifuged to remove sediment (rather than filtered).

 

What about Thornbridge Jaipur in cask and keg that starts out life the same way and then is just treat differently post production? And where do you stand on so called 'bright beers' that are commonly served at beer festivals so they don't need time to settle? Are they still 'real'?

 

I'd just go with your latter comment on concentrate on whether it tastes good! I have witnessed you enjoying Thornbridge Wild Raven on keg remember! And have photo evidence.

 

If it has had sediment removed in the brewing process it won't have gone through secondary fermentation in the cask/keg so cannot be real ale. Real ale doesn't need gas adding as the secondary fermentation process creates a natural sparkle, again if gas is added it is no longer considered real ale.

 

In the old days the comparison was real ale on cask was the traditional quality option whereas keg was the poor quality option that was all about mass production at the lowest possible cost and designed to have a long shelf life with gas added to breathe a bit of character into it. Probably a modern example of poor keg beer is John Smiths Smooth.

 

Nowadays there are kegged beers brewed with a committment to quality ingredients and bold flavours. Some have yeast sediment and some don't, most are served with gas added for carbonation. These are the ones branded as craft beer.

 

That is why I suggest these days you look up and down the handpumps and 'craft' keg fonts and try the various beers and styles and drink on the basis of what you think tastes good and what you enjoy.

 

When we talk of CAMRA - the campaign for real ale - promoting the real ales is the organisation's heritage and that is focused on, but as a beer drinkers consumer group looking to where we are today there is no big need to campaign for good beer to be available - we currently have an embarrasment of riches in that respect, at least in Sheffield anyway - where the campaigning is needed and focused now is supporting pubs with issues such as tax, pub company regulation, planning rules etc - so we have places to drink all this great beer!

 

So anyway, with talk of pubs that brings us nicely back on topic to the Ship Inn... as you have read above the refurbishment is underway and it looks like the Ship should be back in business towards the end of the month.

 

Good news!

Edited September 4, 2015 by Andy C