LeMaquis Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 And the EU extracts, via HMG, far more than £3000 per person per year. "With an estimated UK population of 63.1m people, this means that every man, woman and child paid €178.65 (£144.17) towards the EU budget in 2011. They got back €104.12, meaning their net contribution was £74.53." From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9643193/EU-budget-who-pays-what-and-how-it-is-spent.html It's so easy to confuse far more than 3,000 and 74 if you have a closed mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Better: see Tim Congden's analysis. He's only a leading economist and writes for the Financial Times- so what on earth could he possibly know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Small price to pay to regain control of our borders and our democracy. I'd pay the price because I'm not selfish. What makes you think us "right wingers" (just shows how stupid you are if you think anti-EU sentiment is limited to right wing thinkers) should automatically take the word of the CBI? Wake up - it's there to represent the interest of big business. In whose interest would a massive recession costing everyone £3,000 a year be? And when did we lose our democracy? It's still there in Westminster. When anti-EU people like you and JS habitually get your facts wrong you're not going to win any arguments. The CBI provide a lot of jobs. Going against that just means UKIP is anti-jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 But your £3000 figure is nonsense and Tim Congden's analysis shows it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Better: see Tim Congden's analysis. He's only a leading economist and writes for the Financial Times- so what on earth could he possibly know? More than you no doubt. It's spelt Congdon. Going to apologise for the massively misleading figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 when did we lose our democracy. Not "lose" but "lose much of": the European Communities Act 1972, w.e.f. 1973. That's when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Not "lose" but "lose much of": the European Communities Act 1972, w.e.f. 1973. That's when. What did we lose? We still have control of defence, education, health, taxation, justice, etc, etc. And less that 1% of our GDP pays for being part of the largest single market in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Q: were the UK to leave the EU, would firms in countries still within it refuse to sell goods and services to UK residents? Of course not- any [paying] customer is a good customer. UK firms sell to EU purchasers; EU firms sell to UK customers. No need for an EU, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Q: were the UK to leave the EU, would firms in countries still within it refuse to sell goods and services to UK residents? Of course not- any [paying] customer is a good customer. UK firms sell to EU purchasers; EU firms sell to UK customers. No need for an EU, then. Simplistic again. There would be trade barriers against us if we left which aren't against us now. And by not being in the single market we'd be at a disadvantage in attracting inward investment from countries like China. It would be more convenient for them to open plants in Germany, France, etc, where there wouldn't be trade barriers. Non-EU members in the EEA do not get to vote on the rules of the single market but have to accept them. They also have to negotiate their own trade agreements with the EU and don't get the full economic benefits that EU members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Simplistic again. There would be trade barriers against us if we left which aren't against us now. And by not being in the single market we'd be at a disadvantage in attracting inward investment from countries like China. It would be more convenient for them to open plants in Germany, France, etc, where there wouldn't be trade barriers. Non-EU members in the EEA do not get to vote on the rules of the single market but have to accept them. They also have to negotiate their own trade agreements with the EU and don't get the full economic benefits that EU members. What trade barriers would be imposed on the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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