Recent Immigrants make "net contribution" to finances

[GLASGOWOODS]

Don't think so, otherwise these so called non white children wouldn't be academically better achievers. The more accurate description is that white English children can't keep up. Also, white English families do not place anywhere near as much emphasis on their children's education as the ethnic minorities like the Chinese and the Indians.

 

 

 

Blaming others for your daughter's academic failure is pathetic. She doesn't need to tutor them at home and do their exams for them. Your daughter should probably have studied harder at home if she was having problems.

 

It is not a coincidence that children in the Far East like China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc are such high achievers as shown year after year in the PISA tests. These kids spend have a full days schooling and then spend an extra four to five hours at home on more study. Kids in the UK just spend that amount of time on a games console instead. The more effort you put in, the more you get out of it.

 

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Which is why the Tory cuts on tax credits is needed. People complain about the cuts and then complain that the benefits are too generous. Which is it?

 

And if you wasn't such an idiot you would have read that she is not my daughter!! My partners daughter excels in all area's in school and out of school- Dancing, theatre, Gymnastics-top of class in maths etc. So shut your stupid crap. She wasn't the only kid who was complaining, her school is awash with non English speaking kids. So what you're saying is she should carry on mentoring non English speaking kids while she's in school, then play catch up in her own time at home. You really are a very stupid person.

Edited November 12, 2015 by GLASGOWOODS

[tzijlstra]

So ,what do you think?

Do they pay for interpreters at health centres and police stations?

Do they have kids at school over there?

Do they claim benefits?

Does the UK government pay£175 a month to Spain for each ones health care?

And how many of the above apply to immigrants here?

 

The answer to a lot of those (yes, even the kids at school, whole families move out there) is: Yes. Except that the UK pays far more in health care for citizens there, the EHIC has to be compensated.

[ez8004]

And if you wasn't such an idiot you would have read that she is not my daughter!! My partners daughter excels in all area's in school and out of school- Dancing, theatre, Gymnastics-top of class in maths etc. So shut your stupid crap. She wasn't the only kid who was complaining, her school is awash with non English speaking kids. So what you're saying is she should carry on mentoring non English speaking kids while she's in school, then play catch up in her own time at home. You really are a very stupid person.

 

You having such a narrow minded view is laughable. Skills such as mentoring are invaluable especially in later professional life. For her to be given the opportunity to develop them at such a young age is actually a nod to her being trustworthy and capable. But you can't see that and obviously neither can the girl. If the girl takes the opportunities presented to her and maximises them with added effort then she could go far. But with people like you holding her back. Well, she can be another average kid of no great achievement. This is the difference between families from ethnic minorities versus the average white English ones.

[retep]

You having such a narrow minded view is laughable. Skills such as mentoring are invaluable especially in later professional life. For her to be given the opportunity to develop them at such a young age is actually a nod to her being trustworthy and capable. But you can't see that and obviously neither can the girl. If the girl takes the opportunities presented to her and maximises them with added effort then she could go far. But with people like you holding her back. Well, she can be another average kid of no great achievement. This is the difference between families from ethnic minorities versus the average white English ones.

 

Total B/S the child has been held back by having to mentor someone who isn't up to speed, if ethnic minorities are so intelligent why doesn't it show in their own countries.

[WiseOwl182]

This is the difference between families from ethnic minorities versus the average white English ones.

 

Racist.

 

Stats also show white people are proportionately less likely to commit crimes. Could you imagine the reaction if you applied your same logic and statement to that?.

Edited November 12, 2015 by WiseOwl182

[Zamo]

I think anyone who wishes to restrict the movement of people with the end result that we lose young people who pay into the system and that we replace them with a million mainly elderly people should have a very simple lesson in economics as trust me that argument is crazy.

 

But surely if every country shares your view on restricting immigration you'd end up with a million brits back here and your taxes would increase to pay for their healhcare.

 

The vast majority of Brits living abroad will be positive contributors to that country. They are either professionals, business people or the retired who have cash, property and pensions. They are the polar opposite of the vast majority of immigrants who take their place in the UK who are low skilled workers (or non-workers) who make a negative financial contribution.

 

Pensioners also don't tend to take jobs in the countries they move to, which is again the opposite of here in Britain. When an immigrant takes a job here then they may contribute (although unlikely to be positive) but that same contribution could potentially have been made by someone already here who is not in work or underemployed. The benefit to the state (someone already here paying in more and taking less out) is lost and as such we are poorer than we would otherwise have been. According to the Daily Mail this morning, of the 430,000 new jobs created in the year to September 2015, 325,000 went to immigrants. It is also worth mentioning that the UCL 'positive contribution by immigrants' data doesn't even attempt to quantify this cost of immigration.

[L00b]

I think anyone who wishes to restrict the movement of people with the end result that we lose young people who pay into the system and that we replace them with a million mainly elderly people should have a very simple lesson in economics as trust me that argument is crazy.

Speaking of restricting the movement of people and craziness, it looks like Sweden and Germany are finally getting over theirs

[tzijlstra]

The vast majority of Brits living abroad will be positive contributors to that country. They are either professionals, business people or the retired who have cash, property and pensions. They are the polar opposite of the vast majority of immigrants who take their place in the UK who are low skilled workers (or non-workers) who make a negative financial contribution.

 

Pensioners also don't tend to take jobs in the countries they move to, which is again the opposite of here in Britain. When an immigrant takes a job here then they may contribute (although unlikely to be positive) but that same contribution could potentially have been made by someone already here who is not in work or underemployed. The benefit to the state (someone already here paying in more and taking less out) is lost and as such we are poorer than we would otherwise have been. According to the Daily Mail this morning, of the 430,000 new jobs created in the year to September 2015, 325,000 went to immigrants. It is also worth mentioning that the UCL 'positive contribution by immigrants' data doesn't even attempt to quantify this cost of immigration.

 

Yawn. Can you provide evidence for your claim about British emigrants being net contributors? Because the evidence for that is as circumstantial as the evidence for British immigrants being so or not.

 

There is one statistic that is vital in this discussion: Unemployment is down. AGAIN. People coming to Britain come to work, not to lie around on a beach. You tell me which one has more positive economic impact?

[Zamo]

Yawn. Can you provide evidence for your claim about British emigrants being net contributors? Because the evidence for that is as circumstantial as the evidence for British immigrants being so or not.

 

You squirm like someone accused of wrongdoing who, instead of denying the charge, tries to dismiss it by claiming there isn't evidence to prove it! Before we get down to evidence, can I please ask you to clarify your position? Are you saying that you don't believe most British emigrants are professionals, business people and self-sufficient pensioners who make a positive contribution to the host nation?

 

There is one statistic that is vital in this discussion: Unemployment is down. AGAIN.

 

The fact that unemployment is down does not change the fact that it would be down more if we denied entry to immigrants who take jobs that British unemployed/underemployed are capable of doing.

 

People coming to Britain come to work, not to lie around on a beach. You tell me which one has more positive economic impact?

 

Let's have a think about that.

 

A part time cleaning vacancy is advertised. Mary (born here) wants the job to go with the part time one she already has. If she gets the job then the State will recalculate her Working Tax Credits and pay less whilst she also starts paying income tax on the new job... the State will be much better off. But instead of Mary getting the job it goes to a newly arrived immigrant from Croatia. The new immigrant starts to pay income tax but it is more than offset by the Tax Credits and Housing Benefit she receives. Employing an immigrant instead of Mary has resulted in a double whammy lose for UK PLC.

 

Meanwhile in sunny Croatia... Mr & Mrs Smith (formerly of Sheffield, England) laze on a beach and dispose of their pension income and capital savings in the local economy. They don't work and therefore haven't taken a job from a Croatian and as such there are no financial consequences for the State. Mrs Smith does occasionally need some medical treatment for a reoccurring haemorrhoid problem but the UK government foots the bill.

 

So you tell me... which immigrant has had the most positive economic impact?

 

Of course, if the Croatian was a businesswoman who sets up a new company exporting goods and employs Mary as a cleaner, then it is a completely different story. But such a story, as we all know, is the exception and not the rule. The vast majority of immigrants coming to the UK are looking to escape poverty and take low paid, low skilled work that British unemployed/under employed are capable of doing.

[Titanic99]

The vast majority of Brits living abroad will be positive contributors to that country. They are either professionals, business people or the retired who have cash, property and pensions. They are the polar opposite of the vast majority of immigrants who take their place in the UK who are low skilled workers (or non-workers) who make a negative financial contribution.

 

 

Since when has working in a bar in one of the Costas become a "profession"?

 

Are you seriously suggesting repatriating 2 million mainly young working people and replacing them with 1 million mainly pensioners makes economic sense?

 

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Meanwhile in sunny Croatia... Mr & Mrs Smith (formerly of Sheffield, England) laze on a beach and dispose of their pension income and capital savings in the local economy. They don't work and therefore haven't taken a job from a Croatian and as such there are no financial consequences for the State. Mrs Smith does occasionally need some medical treatment for a reoccurring haemorrhoid problem but the UK government foots the bill.

 

 

I'm not being funny but do you have any concept of what Public Services we all have access to and presumably Mr and Mrs Smith would have in Spain.

 

Here's a link to those in Sheffield alone, how do you think Mr and Mrs Smith fund those provided by the state of Spain?

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/how-to-contact-us/a-to-z/a.html