Asylum seeker forces council to pay for flying lessons !

[WeX]

Very true! And many more besides but hey it doesn't matter because according to the headlines these immigrants contribute more than they take ..............apparently

 

This headline is deceiving. The one point that should be highlighted is that immigrants arriving from outside the UK since 1995 take more out of the benefits system than they put back in according to the stats released. Well that's what was said in the report on Radio 4 this morning.

 

But the study also discovered that between 1995 and 2011, non-EEA immigrants claimed more in benefits than they paid in taxes, mainly because they had more children than people already living here.

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/immigrants-made-25bn-net-contribution-to-uk-economy-since-2000-report-finds.1383636407

 

So they contribute X to the tax system but take out X+Y.

[AdamSmith]

Ooo, how dare you?! Where's that report button? {stamps feet hysterically}

Is that a kind of date offer kinda thing?

 

 

 

I thought the British made up the majority, but never mind.

 

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EUREKA..and that's the salient point, if your children were orphaned you wouldn't be, the local authority would in order to satisfy their obligations under the Children's Act.

 

The salient point is that this guy is an asylum seeker ie not British ! As an asylu

Seeker he should return as soon as its safe to do so! Not take high flying career paths at our expense ! If this is the case then I would hope all British orphans are actively encouraged to take up flying up and down the country and any carers foster parents on here should apply for them If they so wish? Who wouldn't want that as a career ?

[Pritt Stick]

According to the report in the Telegraph they'll probably have to leave the country next year anyway...they're not going to be paying much back if that happens..

 

"Taxpayers will be hit with a £10,000 bill to pay for a failed asylum seeker to train to be a pilot, even though the Government has said he must leave Britain next year. "

 

I was just reporting what his lawyer was saying and trying not to add my take on it. My gut instinct was that the lawyer was trying it on and was trying to convince himself that leave to remain would be given next year. His argument that 'the lad has a Geordie accent' was particularly amusing.

 

Perhaps the best ruling might be that this is all put on hold until a ruling is made on their right to remain here and it could be discussed again then.

[SevenRivers]

You really are witless AdamSmith.

 

Whilst on the face of it providing flying lessons for anybody seems like madness, what do you think a qualified pilot with an aviation degree will contribute in tax revenues to the exchequer?

 

Incidentally the funding comes by way of loan, not grant and if their application to remain is successful they'll be transferred to the normal student loan system. There's obviously more to this story than meets the eye.

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487444/Taxpayers-10-000-teach-failed-asylum-seeker-fly.html

 

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Ah-hem, you'll probably discover non white British people are competing in the same pool, so dont you go getting a rash with that persecution complex.

 

This is for a Private Pilot Licence. If it were for a Commercial Licence it would have another zero on the cost.

 

In other words, this will not qualify him to be a paid pilot.

[boyfriday]

Perhaps the best ruling might be that this is all put on hold until a ruling is made on their right to remain here and it could be discussed again then.

Eminently sensible advice.

 

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This is for a Private Pilot Licence. If it were for a Commercial Licence it would have another zero on the cost.

 

In other words, this will not qualify him to be a paid pilot.

 

..and based on what's been said in the media I don't believe for a second that the local authority are being held responsible for a PPL course that he undertakes outside of a degree course at a recognised institution.

 

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he should return as soon as its safe to do so! Not take high flying career paths at our expense ! If this is the case then I would hope all British orphans are actively encouraged to take up flying up and down the country and any carers foster parents on here should apply for them If they so wish? Who wouldn't want that as a career ?

 

I thought your grievance was about foreigners coming here and not contributing AS?

 

I don't know the ins or outs of this individual's asylum claim but he appears to have been here many years after being abandoned and (apparently) made a lot of his life despite his inherent disadvantages. I thought he'd be the kind of youngster you'd be celebrating Adam rather than denouncing.

 

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In other words, this will not qualify him to be a paid pilot.

But the successful completion of a degree course in aviation will certainly make him attractive from an employer's point of view don't you think?

[Zamo]

Let's look at it rationally-we have two effectively orphaned children, who've been taken into care, yet succeeded academically and accepted on challenging academic courses, where the local authority will be responsible to provide loans for their maintenance (just as they would British students in the same position), don't you think it makes a change from the usual diatribe we hear about immigrants?

 

What about the message it sends? If you can get your kids over here and abandoned them then our immigration policy goes out the window. Why are we offering a free child rearing and education service to failed asylum seekers and illegal immigants?

 

The quicker they are sent back on a plane the less painful for all concerned - they'll love it as they can pretend their flying it themselves.

 

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But the successful completion of a degree course in aviation will certainly make him attractive from an employer's point of view don't you think?

 

But there is no shortage of pilots. It is a sector that has always had fierce competition because so many little boys want to do it when they grow up (some girls too before I'm pulled up!) and because of the number of pilots who leave the armed services and naturally look for commercial flying work.

[truman]

But the successful completion of a degree course in aviation will certainly make him attractive from an employer's point of view don't you think?

 

It's not clear from the newspaper reports.. has he actually applied for and been accepted on a uni course?

[boyfriday]

What about the message it sends? If you can get your kids over here and abandoned them then our immigration policy goes out the window. Why are we offering a free child rearing and education service to failed asylum seekers and illegal immigants?

I think the post of Pritt Stick's above offers the most sensible solution, all offers of education and funding it should be deferred pending the outcome of his claim for indefinite leave to stay, then I believe he should be treated like any other British citizen so he can invest in this country and contribute accordingly.

 

So much is said about refugees not integrating or contributing anything to society, yet when we have an opportunity to assist in that process we still sneer at them and it certainly won't happen if they're denied opportunities that would be avilable to British youngsters in their position.

The quicker they are sent back on a plane the less painful for all concerned - they'll love it as they can pretend their flying it themselves.

Based on what I've read (nothing else), these are two I'd happily keep, in fact I'd trade them for a couple of indolent British youths who should be put on the plane to Ethiopia in their place

 

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It's not clear from the newspaper reports.. has he actually applied for and been accepted on a uni course?

 

I agree truman, it isn't clear which is why I believe the omissions and obfuscation suggest there is much more to this story than we're being led to believe for tabloid purposes.

 

It says he's doing flying lessons at a hippodrome, but hasn't started any degree course yet. But the court ruling is for student loan funding for a higher/further education course, which obviously wouldn't include privately undertaken flying courses at a hippodrome as they aren't accredited as educational institutions or qualifying courses.

[Pritt Stick]

Not applied or been accepted for a Uni course yet his lawyer said this morning - but that's his aspiration.

[truman]

I think the post of Pritt Stick's above offers the most sensible solution, all offers of education and funding it should be deferred pending the outcome of his claim for indefinite leave to stay, then I believe he should be treated like any other British citizen so he can invest in this country and contribute accordingly.

 

So much is said about refugees not integrating or contributing anything to society, yet when we have an opportunity to assist in that process we still sneer at them and it certainly won't happen if they're denied opportunities that would be avilable to British youngsters in their position.

Based on what I've read (nothing else), these are two I'd happily keep, in fact I'd trade them for a couple of indolent British youths who should be put on the plane to Ethiopia in their place

 

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I agree truman, it isn't clear which is why I believe the omissions and obfuscation suggest there is much more to this story than we're being led to believe for tabloid purposes.

 

It says he's doing flying lessons at a hippodrome, but hasn't started any degree course yet. But the court ruling is for student loan funding for a higher/further education course, which obviously wouldn't include privately undertaken flying courses at a hippodrome as they aren't accredited as educational institutions or qualifying courses.

 

Just what course is he doing that forces the council to pay for flying lessons...? It seems barmy to me...If he gets leave to stay and really wants to fly then maybe he ought to join the RAF .. they'll train him and he'll pay it back by serving I suppose...