FACEBOOK Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I doubt anyone on 35K could get on the housing ladder in that London. jb They could in the past. Think of those who bought property in London in 1997. Think of those who moved their families on benefits to London in 1997. If both were now forced to move, who's laughing. You can't just attack people with no options. It's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 They could in the past. Think of those who bought property in London in 1997. Think of those who moved their families on benefits to London in 1997. If both were now forced to move, who's laughing. You can't just attack people with no options. It's wrong. I haven't attacked anyone, yet. I seem to be in a pointless argument around the validity of directly comparing £500/wk benefits with a £35k wage. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FACEBOOK Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I haven't attacked anyone, yet. I seem to be in a pointless argument around the validity of directly comparing £500/wk benefits with a £35k wage. That's because you have the sense to realise that it isn't the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 As loob mentioned before, he lost a job and was able to find another within months.I made it sound a bit easy, didn't I? 6 months with no benefits whatsoever, no income to speak of, no job prospects whatsoever (blackballed, and far too specialist a job/background), a wife who cried her eyes out to me when she told me she was pregnant a couple of weeks after we both lost our jobs (she lost hers 2 weeks after me). With a mortgage, bills, and that not-so-inessential need to feed ourselves. A little girl who, until things turned around, would be born to abject poverty (well, that's certainly how it felt most nights...for the despairing, it's hard to find sleep and that leaves far too much time to mull things over and over). Yes, far too easy Of course they're incapable, that's how they got there in the first place and government allowed it.So, by your logic, I was incapable for getting there in late 2003. And so are all the claimants who got there since 2008 and are finding it extra-difficult to bounce back since. Your 'logic' bemuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FACEBOOK Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I made it sound a bit easy, didn't I? 6 months with no benefits whatsoever, no income to speak of, no job prospects whatsoever (blackballed, and far too specialist a job/background), a wife who cried her eyes out to me when she told me she was pregnant a couple of weeks after we both lost our jobs (she lost hers 2 weeks after me). With a mortgage, bills, and that not-so-inessential need to feed ourselves. Yes, far too easy It was easy for you Loob because you are made of strong stuff. Yes you probably sacrificed, worried and went through a tough time for a short duration but you were back on top within months. The drive, ambition and determination needed to crawl out of the hole so quickly came easy to you. A long term unemployed person wouldn't know where the hell to begin and would spiral downwards fast, taking their children with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 It was easy for you Loob because you are made of strong stuff. Yes you probably sacrificed, worried and went through a tough time for a short duration but you were back on top within months. The drive, ambition and determination needed to crawl out of the hole so quickly came easy to you. A long term unemployed person wouldn't know where the hell to begin and would spiral downwards fast, taking their children with them.It was anything but easy, and I'm quietly confident that it's much harder still in these post-recession days. The point was, and remains, that the ages-old saying stands just as true today as it ever did centuries ago: <God/substitute deity or other> helps those who help themselves. It's as true for those at £35k p.a. as for those at £15k p.a. or £1,5m p.a.: life generally does not owe you a standard of living. We're lucky that our Gvt does, to an extent and only up to a point. So there are no workhouses (as such) and there is no need for TV appeals at dinner time showing UK kids dying of illness and starvation. But the balance is up to individuals, who have to take charge of their own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 We're lucky that our Gvt does, to an extent and only up to a point. What do you mean by this? Our government does what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FACEBOOK Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 The balance is up to individuals, who have to take charge of their own life. But most single mothers on benefits with 3 kids haven't got a clue how to take charge of their own lives. And they certainly don't spend even the smallest surplus amounts of money wisely, they don't invest for the future, they do whatever they can to get by and make sure the kids have a large plasma tv on the wall. When you don't own assets, you have nothing, you just exist without building up any safety nets. Try telling a single mother to stop smoking her 20 cigarettes a day. And if she does the only people who will suffer will be her children when she constantly loses it. If you suddenly take away her safety net, she will be lost and so will the kids giving them even less chance in life of not becoming the same. If I lost all my income and savings tomorrow but still had to pay a mortgage, it would not even enter my head to claim any benefits even if I was entitled. It comes down to education surely. Understanding the concept of saving and putting safety nets in place to protect ourselves financially. Some of us had stronger parental role models, we've developed more resilience and are able to survive. Do we live in a jungle where only the strongest survive or are we more civilised and care about our fellow man. I don't like to see people being forced into corners they can't get out of and repeatedly hit when they're down. Neither should any government I choose to stand behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 . Do we live in a jungle where only the strongest survive or are we more civilised and care about our fellow man. I don't like to see people being forced into corners they can't get out of and repeatedly hit when they're down. Neither should any government I choose to stand behind. Well said FB. this situation could happen to any one of us. People would soon start complaining if they suddenly found themselves down on their luck, then discovered that the government had abolished all benefits tomorrow, when it was their turn to apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FACEBOOK Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 People would soon start complaining if they suddenly found themselves down on their luck, then discovered that the government had abolished all benefits tomorrow, when it was their turn to apply. Exactly Poppet. and even worse if you were given assistance but then had it suddenly taken away with no alternatives to say afloat allowing you to keep your kids schooling, friends and family together, the foundations of a secure life for children. It's important to remember that you can only make hay whilst the sun shines if you live in a world where the sun sometimes shines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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