Blunkett - Influx of Roma migrants could cause riots.

[poppet2]

Whilst that might be true, those workers are also supporting millions of people of working age that don't work, getting them into work and increasing the pension age will solve the problem without increasing the population, which would be a far bigger problem.

 

Getting two million of the dole won't make a jot of difference if:

a. Those people end up getting zero hour contracts and minimum wage jobs, which is all that is on offer at the moment.

b. People taking these type of jobs will automatically be entitled to housing & council tax benefit and also tax credits if they have children.

c. In other words even whilst working, the tax payer will end up subsidising the low paid.

d. Currently, 8 out of 10 people on housing benefit are working.

e. Soultion?

[chalga]

 

2% increase in the UK workforce but with lower government debt, lower unemployment, cheaper living costs.

 

Whats the point in increasing the workforce if unemployment, debt, and living costs also increase?

 

If the increase in people in work goes up from 2% to 11% due to immigration,how has unemployment gone up?,You've already been quoted a 2% incease in employment without immigration,so how does that equate to more unemployed?

Debt and cost of living increases are not because of immigrants.

[daneha]

Getting two million of the dole won't make a jot of difference if:

a. Those people end up getting zero hour contracts and minimum wage jobs, which is all that is on offer at the moment.

 

b. People taking these type of jobs will automatically be entitled to housing & council tax benefit and also tax credits if they have children.

c. In other words even whilst working, the tax payer will end up subsidising the low paid.

d. Currently, 8 out of 10 people on housing benefit are working.

e. Soultion?

 

You've moved the goal posts, a minute ago you wanted immigrants to do these jobs, because the tax they would pay would pay your pension, now for some reason if the British unemployed take these jobs, they would suddenly become a bigger burden than they already are.

 

You need to make your mind up, are low paid workers a burden on the UK or your pension providers.

[poppet2]

Your plan requires perpetual population expansion, and each new person means less land to produce food, off cause this doesn't matter if you are only thinking about yourself and not the future generations.

 

What you have to remember is we can only grow certain foods at certain times of the year due to our climate. That's why we end up importing potatoes from Egypt in winter.

 

The government chooses to keep house building to a minimum because the housing market is the one thing this country needs to sustain wealth. This is done by making all home owners feel good about themselves and wealthier if they own property.

Take that away and what have you got?

We mustn't all be home owners otherwise it would lower the value of property.

[daneha]

If people in work goes up from 2% to 11% due to immigration,how has unemployment gone up?,

Thats an easy one, immigration.

 

 

 

You've already been quoted a 2% incease in employment without immigration,so how des that equate to more unemployed?

It wouldn't, without immigration unemployment would be lower even though the total number of workers is lower.

 

Debt and cost of living increases are not because of immigrants.

Supply and demand, more people equals more demand for housing, fuel, food, if we can't increase the supply then prices rise.

 

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What you have to remember is we can only grow certain foods at certain times of the year due to our climate. That's why we end up importing potatoes from Egypt in winter.

 

The government chooses to keep house building to a minimum because the housing market is the one thing this country needs to sustain wealth. This is done by making all home owners feel good about themselves and wealthier if they own property.

Take that away and what have you got?

We mustn't all be home owners otherwise it would lower the value of property.

 

When we had a lower population we produced all the food we needed, we import it because we can't produce enough for the population.

[poppet2]

You've moved the goal posts, a minute ago you wanted immigrants to do these jobs, because the tax they would pay would pay your pension, now for some reason if the British unemployed take these jobs, they would suddenly become a bigger burden than they already are.

 

You need to make your mind up, are low paid workers a burden on the UK or your pension providers.

 

To an immigrant, minimum wages are four times the wages they would receive back home, so of course they are going to accept our jobs. This is no different to the British builders who went to Germany and slept 6 to a room in the 80s, whilst the UK were suffering a recession of 3 million under Thatcher.

 

Also,there are restrictions on benefits for immigrants, plus, immigrants don't tend to bring their entire families, it's mainly healthy young men, so they can't claim all that child credit etc.

[daneha]

To an immigrant, minimum wages are four times the wages they would receive back home, so of course they are going to accept our jobs. This is no different to the British builders who went to Germany and slept 6 to a room in the 80s, whilst the UK were suffering a recession of 3 million under Thatcher.

 

Also,there are restrictions on benefits for immigrants, plus, immigrants don't tend to bring their entire families, it's mainly healthy young men, so they can't claim all that child credit etc.

 

Another move of the goal posts, I fully understand why immigrants want to come to the UK, it isn't so they can fund your pension and it won't fund your pension, it is so they can make money and send it home to their family.

 

It would be more likely to pay your pension if they stayed in their home country and a young unemployed British worker did the work.

[poppet2]

Thats an easy one, immigration.

 

 

 

It wouldn't, without immigration unemployment would be lower even though the total number of workers is lower.

 

 

Supply and demand, more people equals more demand for housing, fuel, food, if we can't increase the supply then prices rise.

 

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When we had a lower population we produced all the food we needed, we import it because we can't produce enough for the population.

 

No, we import food because we can.

That was the whole idea of the Common Market. I don't eat certain 'summer' fruits like strawberries in winter because they aren't ripe or sweet. I would rather wait until they are grown in season in this country. Years ago people didn't expect out of season produce. Now we expect everything and we pay the price for it - usually double.

 

You have just defeated your own argument. The fact that only 6.8% of our land is build on, means we have more than enough land to produce all the food we want. This country produces all the food it can, but in season.

[chalga]

Thats an easy one, immigration.

 

 

 

 

I've just shown research that shows you have a 2% increase in employment,without immigration,that is an increase in people in work,not a decrease.

[daneha]

No, we import food because we can.

That was the whole idea of the Common Market. I don't eat certain 'summer' fruits like strawberries in winter because they aren't ripe or sweet. I would rather wait until they are grown in season in this country. Years ago people didn't expect out of season produce. Now we expect everything and we pay the price for it - usually double.

 

You have just defeated your own argument. The fact that only 6.8% of our land is build on, means we have more than enough land to produce all the food we want. This country produces all the food it can, but in season.

 

70% of the UK is farmed but only produces 60% of our food, the rest of the land is useless for farming but it is very nice for a day out. Food is also not the only thing we need to survive, we simply don't have the resources for your plan to work, yes it might work just long enough for you to enjoy your retirement but future generations will have to pay the price of your selfishness.